Thomas Burberry Ifield Sussex - Eliza Smith ?

[wen55]

Thanks for the reply.

Will be in touch at a later stage to give you some details.

Wen

[wen55]

Hi Koromo and Sillgen

Here are the results of the Census' that I have looked at!

1851 Elizabeth Turner  No: HO107/1641 Folio 343 Pag 1

1851 Thomas Burberry - John Smith Cousin (just wondered if this Smith might have been any relation of the missing Eliza Smith whom I cannot find) HO107/1642 Folio 353 Page 6

1861 John Turner RG9/581 Folio 88 Page 1

1861 Elizabeth Burberry (nee Smith) RG9/586 Folio 96 Page 22

A family of "Smiths" from "Worth"? RG9/580

1871 Thomas Harding, Probably just a coincidence but this name was on the marriage certificate of:-
Thomas Moses Smith Burberry and Elizabeth Grose in September 1879 as a witness along with Amelia Smith RG10/1059 Folio 24 Page 7

1871 BURBERRY Hackney RG10/329 Folio 81 Page 32

Other information I have is reference to the Will of James Burberry
Thomas Smith Burberry's father
No Prob 11/1885  Image Ref 28 Will No 7

Hope some of this information might be of use to you.

Wen
 

[sillgen]

Hi Wen
Can you give us the full census reference?   You should have a folio number and page number on each one.    So 1851 should read HO107 1641 Folio???  Page ??
We may be able to find them without but that would make it easier.  You can change the post by going into it and clicking the modify button.
Thanks
Andrea

[Koromo]

Hi Wen

Starting from the beginning:

1841  HO107/1095/13/30/14
Ifield Street, Ifield, Sussex
Elizabeth Burberry, 35, inn keeper, yes
Thomas Burberry, 11, yes
Amelia Burberry, 6, yes
Walter Burberry, 2, yes

1851 HO107/1641/343/1
Worth, Sussex
John Turner, head, 38, farmer 15 acres, b. West Hoathly, Sussex
Elizabeth Turner, wife, 44, inn keeper, b. Ifield, Sussex
Amelia Burberry, dau, 16, b. Ifield, Sussex
Clara Burberry, dau, 5, b. Worth, Sussex
Francis Burberry, son, 4, b. Worth, Sussex
  + servant

1851 HO107/1642/353/5
Thomas Burberry is working as a shopman for Henry Carter (a grocer) and his family in Cowfold, Sussex.  Also in the household is John Smith, the cousin of Henry Carter.


FreeBMD:
Amelia Burberry married John Turner
Sep qtr 1859, Cuckfield, Vol 2b Pg 171


1861  RG9/581/88/1
Upper Lodge Farm, Ardingley, Sussex
John Turner, head, mar, 40, farmer of 80 acres, b. Balcombe, Sussex
Amelia Turner, wife, mar, 26, b. Ifield, Sussex (transcribed as Cornelia)
Sarah Turner, dau, 11mths, b. Ardingley, Sussex
Richard Turner, brother, umar, 42, farm labourer, b. Balcombe, Sussex
Joseph Turner, brother, unmar, 36, farm labourer, b. Balcombe, Sussex

Same page, next door at Upper Lodge, Ardingley, Sussex
John Turner, head, mar, 48, retired farmer, b. Westhoathly, Sussex
Clara Burberry, dau, 16, b. Worth, Sussex
Frances Burberry, son, 14, shoemaker, b. Worth, Sussex

1861  RG9/586/96/22
16 North St, St John's Under the Castle, Lewes, Sussex
Walter Burberry, head, mar, 22, house painter, b. Ifield, Sussex
Mary Burberry, wife, mar, 22, b. Worth, Sussex
Maria Burberry, boarder, 6, scholar, b. Westhoathly, Sussex
Elizabeth Burberry, visitor, mar, 54, farmer's wife, b. Ifield, Sussex

So, can we now safely assume that Amelia Burberry was not the witness (under the name of Amelia Smith) on Thomas Moses Smith Burberry's marriage?

I think we come back to that faint possibility that Thomas Moses Smith Burberry/Smith might be the one that I found initially. However those three grandchildren (William, Thomas and Amelia) are not with their so-called grandparents in 1871.

1871  RG10/1338/81/59
Wilmoth? Cottage, Tottenham,  Middlesex
George Smith, head, 50, groom, b. Ponders End, Middx
Sarah Smith, wife, 42, b. Ashbury, Berks
Thomas Smith, father, 65, dealer, b. Ashbury, Berks
Maria Smith, wife, 67, b. Roydan, Essex
Henry Williams, N Child, 12, scholar, b. London, Middx (nurse child?)
Henrietta Harris, N Child, 7, scholar, b. London, Middx
Frederick Burdon, lodger, unmar, 20, police constable, b. Piddletrelhide, Dorset

I'm afraid I cannot find William, Thomas or Amelia Smith in 1871/1881.
I guess that's as far as I can go.

Cheers
Koromo

[wen55]

Thank u Koromo and Sillgen for all your assistance.

Sorry it was all such a confusion. I probably am more confused myself now than I was before, but if I sit down and digest some of it I might be able to understand.

Wen55