Thomas Amer / Louisa Smith

[lyz]

I am trying to find who Thomas Amer parents were. Thomas married Louisa Smith. They were licenced hawkers. Any info greatley appriciated. Lyz

[RosieJ]

Hi Lyz 

Can you give me a few more details, such as any dates you have, as searching on Ancestry acutally brings up quite a lot of Thomas Amers & Louisa Amers!

Best wishes
Rowena

[lyz]

Hi Rowena,
Thank You for replying. Tom and Louisa had baby Prudence in 1885 ( ish ) and Owen in 1896. I can't find their marriage date, but it looks like they may have used the surname Casey as well! I think they were unlicenced hawkers and caught out! Lyz

[Manchester Rambler]

Are you sure Owen is Tom and Louisa's child?  I can see T & L on the 1901 census with children Nelson (aged 17), Prudence (15) and Lucy (13), but the only 4 yr-old Owen Amer I can see is listed as the son of Owen and Lydia Amer.  (Owen Sr is also a hawker.)

Here's the 1901 census:

RG13/1321/58/28
Uxbridge Rd (Caravan), Rickmansworth, Herts

Thomas Amer  Head  56  Stall Proprietor at Fairs  b Denham, Bucks
Louisa Amer  Wife  56  b Chesham, Bucks
Nelson Amer  Son  17  Assists Father  b Lower Edmonton, Middx
Prudence Amer  Dau  15  b High Barnett, Herts
Lucy V(?) Amer  Dau 13  b New Bushey, Herts


Rambler

[RosieJ]

Hi again Lyz

Really sorry but my search has not been fruitful at all 

I can't find the family on any other census, but I suppose if they were transient then they may not have been picked up by the census. I can't find Thomas on the 1851 - there is only 1 Amer that shows up for Buckinghamshire. He's not there as Casey either. Nor can I find a birth for Thomas or Nelson. I did,  however, find Prudence:

Prudence Amer  Sept 1885  Barnet Greater London/Hertfordshire/Middlesex  Vol 3a  Pg 204

Sorry it's not exciting news. You could try posting on the bucks & herts pages to see if any rootschatters can help there. I'll keep pottering and let you know if I come up with anything.

Rowena

[Manchester Rambler]

I wondered if this might possibly be Nelson in 1891?

Manor Lane (Caravan), Lee, London

Sarah Smith  Head  M  60  Hawker  b Poplar
Lucy Smith  Dau-in-law  M  35  Hawker  b Poplar
Gendela(?) Smith  Gr-Dau  13  b Barnes, Surrey
Henry Smith  Gr-Son  11  b Mortlake, Surrey
Nelson Smith  Gr-Son  6  b Willesden, Middx
Fanny Smith  Gr-Dau  4  b [...], Kent
Rany Smith  Gr-Dau  2  b Wandsworth, Surrey
Infant Smith  Gr-Dau  under 1m  b Lee, Kent

Might be worth keeping on file...

Rambler

[lyz]

Thank You for all your help, I will keep searching! Lyz

[lyz]

yes Tom and Louisa had their son Owen in 1869 - he had his son Owen in 1896.
We already have the 2 census entries she mentions.
I am only aware that they registered the birth of my granny ( and that was done by the midwife I think )
and they were licensed hawkers - if they had been caught without licenses in 1871 the police would have had them in as vagrants.
BTW you still have to have pedlers licenses nowadays to sell door to door. You have to get them from the police.
Maybe we could find out if the police have old hawkers license records??


The above is what my cousin Jacquline sent me, Lyz
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