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Re: South Lanc's WW1
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 19 April 08 23:42 BST (UK) »
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The regiment my Grandfather was in was the 1st Battalion South Lancs during ww1.

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Re: South Lanc's WW1
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 20 April 08 13:04 BST (UK) »
The family tree research has been on the back burner for a while. With new grandchildren, house renovations, retirement from work and computer upgrades I've been busy.

This what I have...............

William Pennington.... DOB   12/02/1893.... Hindley...Wigan.

I have a copy (poor copy) of a course he attended in 1916. as follows........

7/12/1916
Signals & Dispatch Riders Course

1st Battalion South Lancs Regiment

QUETTA.... India

Lance-Corporal. W Pennington. His regimental  number is partly obscured by a crease in the paper, all I can make out is 2? 9924

I have his married cert as follows.........
21/12/1918
Wigan
Profession.Soldier

Thats all I have

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John
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Re: South Lanc's WW1
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 20 April 08 18:22 BST (UK) »


Well for a start here's what the 1st battalion were doing .........


The first Battalion served with distinction in the Boer War, losing their commanding officer Lt Col MacCarthy O'Leary whilst leading a charge at the Battle of Pieter's Hill - From South Africa, the Battalion shipped to India, replacing the 2nd Battalion, which had being doing its turn overseas since about the mid 1880s. The 1st Battalion remained in India throughout the Great War. Quite a lot of officers, and a number of NCOs and rankers were transferred to other battalions during the war.

1881 Bengal 1884 Aden 1888 England: Portsmouth 1890 Jersey 1892 Ireland: Birr 1895 Fermoy 1898 England - 1899.12 South Africa 11 Bde 1903 India: Jubbulpore 1906 Raniket 1909 Subathu 1912 Ambala 1914 Quetta 1914.08 Quetta 1919 Afghanistan

The outbreak of war in 1914 - found the 1st Battalion - the old 40th Foot - stationed at Quetta, India, due for relief by the 2nd Battalion in 1916. Officers and the men were keen to head for the Western Front to join their sister battalion in action against the Germans. In May 1919, the ill-advised Afghan government of King Amanullah declared war and attempted to invade British India. 1st Battalion South Lancashire Regiment (the old 40th) were at that time a resident battalion in India, where their principal task had been to maintain watch on the North West Frontier with Afghanistan.
Based at Quetta since 1914, their tour had not been without incident, for in 1918 they had fought a short campaign against the Marri tribe of Baluchistan, marching for some six hundred miles before defeating them in pitched battle. This was a typical mountain warfare operation, characterised by careful picquetting of the line of march by day (physically demanding, thirsty and potentially dangerous work) and watchful perimeter defence by night. On the outbreak of the 3rd Afghan War, the South Lancashires were moved up to garrison Jamrud, the important fort guarding the exit from the Khyber Pass. Later the Battalion took part in operations against Pathan bands in the Kajuri Plain and the Bazar Valley. Then on the 15th July it was ordered forward to occupy Ali Masjid, key to the Khyber. There the South Lancashires stayed until the end of October, during which time they took part in several operations against dissident tribesmen, the most important of which was the destruction of the Afridi stronghold of Chora. On completion of this mission, the Battalion had the task of acting as rearguard to the column on its withdrawal, always one of the most difficult phases of mountain warfare, but the South Lancashires were thoroughly versed in the tactics of this form of warfare and completed the operation without untoward incident. Nevertheless, there was no sign that the old 40th Foot would be shipped to Europe, as India still demanded a substantial British garrison.


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Re: South Lanc's WW1
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 20 April 08 23:33 BST (UK) »
Annie
Many thanks for all that information. I was of the opinion that they had a cushy time in India during WW1. How wrong I was.
Would they have been given campaign medals while they were there. If I can get his full number I could work from there.

Once again thanks

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John
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Pennington - Wigan
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Re: South Lanc's WW1
« Reply #22 on: Monday 21 April 08 16:56 BST (UK) »
Hi, there is aWilliam Pennington born Wigan and in the south lancs,attestation papers on Ancestry.

BUT in 1914 he is listed as 37 and 68 days. Must be his father as has a son William, listed.

Says wife Ellen of 2 Sandbrook Road.
          Step daughter Alice Witherington, Buckley Rd, Billinge?
          Son William, 2 Sandbrook Rd,

He only served for 10 days.

Regimental number, 15801

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« Reply #23 on: Monday 21 April 08 17:11 BST (UK) »


I wonder if this is them in 1901 .... as Dad is a coal miner maybe he was exempt !!  :-\

1901

27 Princess Street Pemberton

William Pennington   38
Jane Pennington   39
Ann Pennington   18
Catherine Pennington   16
Elizabeth Pennington   14
Jane Pennington   10
Robert Pennington   12
William Pennington 8 Son Wigan Lancashire

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Re: South Lanc's WW1
« Reply #24 on: Monday 21 April 08 17:15 BST (UK) »
The one on ancestry is a different William as i have just found him and his family in 1901.

Sorry. ::)

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Re: South Lanc's WW1
« Reply #25 on: Monday 21 April 08 23:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Annie & Kev

Many thanks for your help so far,  It's much appreciated.

Kev.
The William in 1914 is a different lot. I have his attestation papers, I went down the wrong line initially at the start. So if you know of anyone researching this William they can have his papers for free. I've got papers for a couple of more William  Penningtons as well. I'll dig them out and put them on here, somebody could be researching them.

I've got a birth cert for a William Pennington]DOB 6/12/1894 Orrell
 Father... Malachi Pennington. Mother Jane (Winstanley) Free to a good home..


Annie.
Thats is my family in the 1901 census.  I have all the census from 1871/81/91/1901. I have also all the BDM of Williams siblings and most of their children's BDM's and lots of other details.

If you's can advise me how I can get Williams army number and papers that would be a great help.

Many thanks for your help

John
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Pennington - Wigan
Martin - Hartley Wintey
Silver - Hartley Wintey - Hampshire

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Re: South Lanc's WW1
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 23 April 08 01:23 BST (UK) »

Well John .... I've been asking around and we're not having much luck I'm afraid  :-\

**9924 looks about right for a 1st bn number (several casualties of the 1st battalion had similar numbers) and there's 6 William Penningtons for the South Lancs but none of numbers jump out as 1st Bn numbers ........ the info is off the MIC rolls but as the 1st Bn spent the whole war in India -  there's no guarentee that your man would have any medal entitlement and therefore possibly - is not listed. !!

I think the only option is a service record check at Kew I'm afraid !!  :) ..... but I'm still looking !!

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