Clezy, Clezie connections

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Some Odds and Ends:

Elizabeth Clazy, b. 10 March 1706, Hutton, Berwick, father William Clazy.

Kathrine Clazy, b. 30 January 1745, Hondean, father Wm. Clazy.

Mary Clasey m. Andrew Nickson, 02 December 1701, Berwick.

John Thompson and Jane Clasey, 11 Sept. 1718, Berwick.

1841 Census, Dumfries, Irish Street - West side:  Jesse Cleese b. Dumfriesshire.

1841 Mordington, Berwickshire:  Ann Chezie, b. abt. 1806 and Thomas Chezie, abt. 1811 and James Chezie, b. abt. 1831.

Katharin Clasie m. John Anderson 05 December 1745.

Agnes Clezie, christened 01 April 1803, Edrom - father William Clezie and mother Isabel Thomson.

George Clezie m. Jean Lockie 20 June 1813, Edrom. Daughter, Agnes christened 17 July 1814, Edrom.

1851 Scotland Census
Jessie Clazie, 46 , b. abt. 1805, wife husband James. James is 50. James Clazie, son is 24.  George and Margaret Hewitt, both 23 are also household members. Hutton Village, Berwickshire.

John Clasey, transported 1685 to Barbados for waging war against King James.  Is this perhaps the John you cannot find?

[anndra]

Hmmm………. more ‘orphans’…….. just when I thought I had the last lot sorted!
Actually most of them fit the tree:-

Elizabeth Clazy, b. 10 March 1706, Hutton, Berwick, father William Clazy.
Elizabeth is 1.2 of my last post.
Kathrine Clazy, b. 30 January 1745, Hondean, father Wm. Clazy.
Kathrine is 1.1.5 of my last post, Horndean is in the Parish of Ladykirk.
Mary Clasey m. Andrew Nickson, 02 December 1701, Berwick.
Mary I have not yet traced but may be a sister of William, 1. of my last post.
John Thompson and Jane Clasey, 11 Sept. 1718, Berwick.
Jane I have not yet traced but could be a child of William 1. of my last post.
1841 Mordington, Berwickshire:  Ann Chezie, b. abt. 1806 and Thomas Chezie, abt. 1811 and James Chezie, b. abt. 1831.
Thomas b. 1808 Mordington was the son of James and Helen Ker/Carr. Ann’s second name is not recorded but they had a son James b. 1831 Mordington.
Katharin Clasie m. John Anderson 05 December 1745.
Kathrine I have not yet traced but is likely to be daughter of William and Katharin Scougal/Liongat/Lidgat [I have written to GRO and asked them to confirm the name]
Agnes Clezie, christened 01 April 1803, Edrom - father William Clezie and mother Isabel Thomson.
Agnes was the youngest of seven children to Isabel and William who was the eldest son of George and Agnes Middlemist.
George Clezie m. Jean Lockie 20 June 1813, Edrom. Daughter, Agnes christened 17 July 1814, Edrom.
George is the eldest son of James and Helen Ker. Agnes is the oldest of eight children, six of whom were born in Edinburgh.
1851 Scotland Census
Jessie Clazie, 46 , b. abt. 1805, wife husband James. James is 50. James Clazie, son is 24.  George and Margaret Hewitt, both 23 are also household members. Hutton Village, Berwickshire.
James is the fourth son of William and Isabel Thompson. He married Jessie/Janet Brodie at Hutton on 27/05/1825. James Jnr. b. 13/07/1826 is the only son of three children although I suspect that there will be an elder son William lurking somewhere. James married Janet Inglis at Duns 07/06/1867.
John Clasey, transported 1685 to Barbados for waging war against King James.  Is this perhaps the John you cannot find?
No, but this is very, very interesting and not something I have come across. Do you have any more details?
It was the issue of John, son of George and Agnes Middlemist  married to Margaret Palen/Paline Hutton 15/09/1777  I was looking for. I think that John m. Mary Steele 27/12/1825 Selkirk/Edinburgh is one of them but can’t find the link. I think this is the line that emigrated to Australia.

[clazey]

I found the Clasey to Barbados many, many years ago in an old book of passenger lists in the Cocoa Florida Library.  And, somewhere in my files, I know I wrote down the name of the ship.  I did more looking at the time on that list but that was before the internet and was unable to confirm that he did in fact arrive alive!  Never found another reference to him.

With Thomas in the James and Helen Ker column many of the "orphans" now fall into place!  I was fortunate enough to have spoken to William Clazey in Northumberland before he died a couple of years or more ago and he had pointed the direction to Scotland and mentioned Kathrine.  William's son, Tony, is still there but haven't heard from him in a very long time.

Have also looked around for John married to Margaret Palen...his brother, I suspect, married to Margaret Brack (George) is the line that ended up in Baltimore, Maryland. George was a founding member of the Robert Burns Society there...he was injured in a terrible explosion in the Baltimore harbor.  His son-in-law, a Ramsay, died. Both were working on the boiler.

Will be anxious to find out Kathrine's true last name!! One of George's descendents (Baltimore) and the only one I have found thought the line originated in France...Huguenots...

Will go through more files today...
Sharon

[anndra]

Isn't it a small world. I met Tony about twenty years ago through business (before I started ancestor hunting) and had forgotten all about him until a mutual friend mentioned him a couple of weeks ago. I asked him if he would ask Tony to get in touch when next he saw him, which shouldn't be too long. He lives in Swarland, Northumberland, just a few miles south of Alnwick, and I think he's retired now. Will let you know when I hear from him. Which William was his father?
I think that the George married to Margaret Brack was the eldest son of William and Isabel Thomson but haven't been able to find anything about them in the UK so mabe they are the ones in Baltimore.

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George and Margaret Brack Clazey arrived in Baltimore with at least 3 children.  Dates seem to vary from one source to another. I was in touch with a T. Sommers who is descended from that line but the last email I sent him bounced and have not heard from him.  I believe that my line of George Oswald Clazey and the Baltimore Clazeys kept track of each other...George's youngest daughter, Louisia, eventually lived in Baltimore and just a few houses down from the cousins. She never married. Tom was attempting to locate the date and place she died...the last record of her I found was the 1930 census...she was a spinster, an operator and 53.

When you run into Tony...you might ask him to recount his inquiry experience with one Graeme Clazey...I know he is related but cagey as all get out!  I believe he is descended from my great grandfather's oldest brother, George...I have spoken with him and he is adament that there is NO relation...however...my grandfather used to comment once in a while...that all the Clazey money remained on the other side and that was not what was supposed to happen. So...who knows...all I was interested in was finding my great-grandfather's brother who married Clara Elizabeth Wallace!  I found the marriages and births on free bmd for Oswald's sisters Ellen and Charlotte Isabelle and Maggie...his mother remarried Alfred Swaine after her husband had been missing for some years...still haven't found where he went missing to!!  Did get a lead on a letter Charlotte wrote to the Australian police department in Victoria...Haven't found any Broadbelt descendents today (Ellen) and I THINK Maggie died not long after her marriage to Frederick Curran.  I would love to find someone who had pictures...

Sharon

[anndra]

That sounds like the Tony I know......

This is the reply I got from GRO

Yes I would agree that the surname is Scougal and not Liongat - I can
see why they have said Liongat but it is hard to do indexing when you do
not know the surname involved - however based on the fact that there are
people with the surname Scougal (and various spellings) in Scotland and
no Liongat(e)s I would say you are correct. Christine

There is a family of Scougal in the 1841 Census in Mordington.... The search goes on.

Andrew

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Re: I think that John m. Mary Steele 27/12/1825 Selkirk/Edinburgh is one of them but can’t find the link. I think this is the line that emigrated to Australia.

Hello anndra. I'm not sure if this information will assist you with sorting out the John Clazey/ Clezy & Scougall links but here it is for what it's worth.

I've been watching this page because I am trying to trace the parents of my ancestor John Gordon, who married Margaret Steele in Selkirk in 1838. John Gordon was a schoolmaster in Moffat at that time. I had hoped that the cautioners at the wedding of John Gordon and Margaret Steele might assist me by having been Gordon family members, which they were not, but they might be relevant to you.

The cautioners are recorded as John Clozy/Clazy/Clezy and James Scougall.

This John Cl*zy married Mary Steele, Patonia's ancestress and the elder sister of my ancestress Margaret Steele (at whose wedding Cl*zy & Scougall served as cautioners), and they did emigrate to SA. Margaret Steele died there in 1857.

That at least places a John Cl*zy and a Scougall in Selkirk for at least a visit in 1838. I wondered if your James Scougall might also be a schoolmaster? I ask because Patonia notes that John Cl*zy was the rector of the Selkirk Academy, while my John Gordon was the rector of the Grammar School in Moffat. They seemed to socialise, marry and emigrate in packs.

Good luck,

Anne

[anndra]

Thanks for that Anne

Unfortunately the Scougal I have established is Katharin b.c. 1680.....a few generations in between I'm afraid.

There are only 18 Sc*gal* births recorded on GRO in Berwickshire between 1553 and 1700 (all 1660 to 1700) and none unfortunately are Katharin so finding siblings and descendants is going to prove difficult. The spelling variations are Scougal(l), Scugal(l/d), Scowgal(l). I'll post anything I find that may be of help to you.

Andrew

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Very kind of you to offer, Andrew. I guess that whatever my ancestor taught probably wasn't mathematics.