Clezy, Clezie connections

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Hello anndra. Thanks very much for the Shirilaw information. They are probably at least close relatives of the ones I am after, who are a Margaret Shirilaw, married to John Johnstone (who had children between 1711 & 1725) and her father who may have been named Robert.

Interestingly, I'm descended from their son James who married an Isobel Dickson in Coldingham. I wonder if we are distant relatives, anndra? After finding out that patonia and I are fourth cousins, little would surprise me. I'm also trying to trace the Dicksons of the Coldingham area as far back as I can.

Clazey and I had an exchange a little while ago about teachers recurring through the generations and about people following unwittingly in the footsteps of forebears, and I remember noting by way of apology to you when I got Scougall generations so chronologically wrong that whatever my forebears taught couldn't have been mathematics. I've just found out courtesy of the Glasgow 1849-1850 Postal Directory that the gggg grandfather John Gordon to whom I was referring (the Johnstons, Shirilaws and Dicksons above are in his wife's line) taught English and history, which are my passions. It's nice to find a link that matters, and also nice to know that I don't represent a mutation in a numerically competent genetic line.

Anne

[anndra]

That sounds plausible, more than  plausible, but I am still curious as to why you conclude that George son of William married Margaret and George son of James married Helen Jean, and not the other way around.  I don't doubt you, I'd just like to know your reasoning.

The first son of George and Jean Lockie was James, 'first male named after the paternal grandfather'..............

I have George and Margaret's marriage record, but not much else.

I will try to abstract a gedcom of the Clazy line from my FT so you can see all the links: also send .pdf files of BMD records. There may be a problem with the size of the files but I will see what I can do.

[clazey]

Some odds and ends:  Holy Trinity Burial Ground:  Two maybes:  15 December 1675, Marie Caysley; 6 November 1706, William Haisley, Senior.

27 October 1717, Frances Clazey; 5 January 1717/1718, William Clasey; 23 January 1744/5, John Clasly.

Father William Clasey:  Eleanor, bapt. 10 October 1666; William bapt. 9 January 1670 and Thomas bapt. 27 November 1675.  Holy Trinity, Berwick.

Thomas Clazey bapt. 19 April 1691; Robert Clazey, father - daughter Marjorie bapt. 20 January 1680.  Holy Trinity, Berwick.

Female, christened 5 January 1695. Father William Clazey and mother Elizabeth Stewart. Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland.

Jonathon Clayse, Arrived 1672, Accomack  County, VA.

George Glaize, wife Isabelle and son George to Pennsylvania 1683.

Revolutionary War Pension Rolls:  John Clasey, William Clasey and George Glaize.

I have not pursued the above except to locate the John in Virginia.  Should perhaps take a closer look at these Revolutionary War era men...

Sharon

[T. Michael Sommers]

I have George and Margaret's marriage record, but not much else.

I will try to abstract a gedcom of the Clazy line from my FT so you can see all the links: also send .pdf files of BMD records. There may be a problem with the size of the files but I will see what I can do.

Thanks; anything will be a help.  Naturally, anything I have on the Baltimore Clazeys that you want I will send.  I have several newspaper articles on the September 1856 riot between the Democrats and the American (or Know-nothing) parties.  According to one, James Clazey instigated the violence (he was bartender in the Democratic Ward House).

[clazey]

I have been looking at Canadian Clazies...trying to place a David Clazie who was in Rochester, NY during the same years as my grandparents.   I think I have finally found the link...

Thomas Clazie, b. 1853 in Scotland.  Father:  William and mother Jane Greaves abt. 1825.   David Clazie and his wife and one daughter remained in Rochester, NY and died there.  The daughter moved to Chicago at some point. David and his wife were cremated in Mt. Hope Cemetery and their ashes were scattered to the four winds...(obituaries).   Both were Canadian. I do not know if the families knew one another BUT...they always lived within a few blocks of each other during various moves.

Thomas Clazie died in Ontario, Canada.

Sharon

[T. Michael Sommers]

This would therefore point to George, son of William and Isabella Thomson, being married to Margaret Brack.

The more I think about this, the more I think you are right.  I normally don't consider naming conventions to be enough to decide questions of connections, but in this case it seems that if you assume one set of connections, there are many matches with the conventions, but if you switch connections, there are almost none.  In that case, I think that assuming the conventions were followed makes sense.

Thanks for the info.

[clazey]

I heard from a Clazie researcher who had not ever accessed this website. He is currently filling in other lines but will be visiting shortly!   Naming conventions have proved to be invaluable in some instances with my Tough line...and it has led to speculation with the George Oswald Clazey line which left England and ended up in Carmel, NY in 1841.  Sue Prust in Devon has Isabelle Clazey's trunks...she died in 1872.  Slowly she tries to transcribe what she has found and given the family history she was transcribing before she died, it would appear that George was rather out of favor...according to her writings, he left but son John was the dutiful son...the youngest.  George marries in NY and has three girls...and then one son and he is named James.  Not named after his father but maybe a brother.  Oswald does remain as the middle name as did two of his daughters have the same.   Insight perhaps as to family dynamics of the time. 

[clazey]

I found a missing William Clazie (library version, Ancestry.com).

Born 11 February 1847.  1901 Census of Canada. He is in Ontario, Hastings, sub-district of Thurlow and a farmer.

For one Jess Clazie, abt. 1805, birthplace given as Coothill, Pelaith.  Where is that?

Sharon

[April]

I have
1. George & Agnes Middlemist - m.Coldstream 02/06/1751: issue
1.1 William b.Coldstream 16/08/1753
1.2 John b.Coldstream 27/04/1755
1.3 James b.Coldstream 14/12/1760
1.4 George b.Mordington 19/05/1765

Another two children:
William Glaizy 11/11/1756 Coldstream father George
Isabel Glazie 11/08/1763 Coldstream father George