German Sailor, Engelbrecht/Engelbert,Toxteth Park

[englebert]

Any help out there with this one:
Found this mans family in Upper Mann Street, Toxteth Park,1881/1891, number 116. Cannot find any trace of him, my greatgrandfather. A ships Steward/cook, aged about 31/41 at this time, name of Emil David ENGELBRECHT, a German from somewhere near the Swiss border I am told. Changed his name to ENGELBERT/ENGLEBERT and dropped the Emil. Interned in 1914 in Liverpool it is said!. His wife Sarah (Langshaw) died 1908 in Liverpool. They had 6 kids that survived, lost a few. He does not appear in any of the censuses of the time and it is said he changed his name again, to what nobody can tell me, whilst he was at sea. I think my man was quite fearful for his safety as many Germans where at this time and so made it as difficult as possible for anyone to uncover his identity.   

[CaroleW]

This is from Lancashire BMD.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1879
 
ENGLEBURTH David E WYLIE Sarah Toxteth Park, St. John The Baptist Liverpool 2108TP/8/376

A copy of the marriage cert will give some info re: his fathers name

[CaroleW]

Looking at the 1881 census - there are 2 children John & Sarah E Willis but no relationship shown to either of the 2 Sarah's.  I wonder is the surname Wylie - the image is unclear

1881
Sarah LANGSHAW   Widow   54 b Cheshire Head
Sarah ENGELBERT   Married   24 b Liverpool Boarder
Sarah Jane WILLIS       5 b Liverpool
John WILLIS       4  b Liverpool
Elizabeth ENGELBERT   9 months b Liverpool Dtr
   
On the 1891 census - Sarah Englebert is living next door to Sarah Langshaw.  John is now shown as Englebert and son to Sarah junior, whilst Sarah E is living with Sara Langshaw and is shown as surname Langshaw and grand daughter to Sarah senior

1901 census
 
Hannah Engelbert 18 Niece   
David T Langshaw 18  Nephew   
Sarah Langshaw 74  Cheshire Head   
Thomas Langshaw 41 widower  Son

[Iria]

Hi Carole

The Sarah ENGLEBERT on the 1881 Census and 1901 Census are from my family tree also

The Sarah J Willie/ is Wylie  Sarah J is the Daughter of Sarah Englebert (Fomely Wylie)

Sarah Jane Wylie m Robert Parks Temple in 1898 at St Clements Church Toxteth Park

There son Robert Parks Temple jnr born appox 1898/99 m Elizabeth Dyson in 1922 St Cleopas Church Toxteth Park


I am too Trying to find out more about David Englebert


Hope this helps in some way

Reagrds

Iria

[CaroleW]

1861 census - transcribed as LANSHAW as per original image but probably enumerator error.
Brunswick Place Toxteth Park

Hannah 3 b Liverpool Daughter   
Richard 9 b Liverpool Son   
Samuel   36 b Liverpool Head   
Samuel   11 b Liverpool Son   
Sarah  34 b ?? Horvendly Wife   
Sarah 5 b Liverpool Daughter   
John Dodd 25 b Chester Lodger   
Elizabeth Dodd 23 b Liverpool Wife   

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1875
LANGSHAW Sarah WYLIE Thomas Liverpool, St. Alban Liverpool 2017LP/2/464

So Sarah was a widow when she married Englebert

Looking on the GRO index, the children appear to have been registered as ENGELBRECHT

[englebert]

Many thanks everone.
Carol, I have the marriage certificate you speak of, and all the census records mentioned, though in 1891, I have Sarah still  living with Sarah Langshaw and her son Samuel, at 31 Penrith Street with a host of new Engelberts, an Elizabeth, Sarah and John Willis/Wylie, Hannah, David Samuel, my Grandfather, Mary Jane, and a Maud Mary.

Thanks again

Frederick