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Re: Northumberland Fusiliers
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 31 March 10 13:24 BST (UK) »
Hello.  My name is Shirley and I've just joined Roots five minutes ago, after doing a google search on '19th Btn Northumberland Fusiliers'.  My great grandfather was in the 19th Btn, and he was killed 01/07/1916.  I do have a few photos of him, will have to have another look to compare!  Me and some of my family members are actually going to Belgium on Friday to do the Battlefields tour!

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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 31 March 10 13:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Shiz

If you tell me your Gr grandfather's name, I can look him up in the History of the 19th Batt NF book that I have - it gives details of all the casualties they suffered. I've never been to the battlefields myself but with the aid of the book I was able to plot their route through France and Belgium day by day.


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Re: Northumberland Fusiliers
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 31 March 10 14:43 BST (UK) »
Hi Tessy.

His name is Fenwick White, service number 28/306.  Some records I have found states he was 19th Btn, others state 16th Btn?

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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 31 March 10 16:38 BST (UK) »
I'm sorry but I can't find any record of him in the 19th Btn Historical Records which suggests he may have been in the 16th Btn.

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« Reply #13 on: Monday 02 August 10 16:31 BST (UK) »
My grandfather - Stanley ORD was a private in the 19th Northumberland Fusilliers - as far as I know from their inception to the end of the the war.  I never met him, have no photos and regrettably his son (my father) died last year and I only met him in the last 2 years of his life - he just told me my grandad was at the Somme and I found the rest out.  It doesn't seem as if he was invalided out, never promoted and I know he was very short!   Any help would be gratefully received.

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« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 03 August 10 11:41 BST (UK) »
You should ask a moderator to transfer your question to the Armed Forces section. As a starter this appears to be his medal card on the NA website - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=4651883&queryType=1&resultcount=1

You can either pay £2 for a download, or download it from Ancestry. Ancestry may also have a copy of his service/pension record. However 75-80% were lost during the 1940 blitz.

I don't know the NF that well but the low number should suggest an early recruit. Here is a link to them -  http://www.1914-1918.net/northfus.htm

You can follow their service in France by clicking on British Divisions on the left and following their Division. The National Archives may also have their War Diary, although it is very rare for Other Ranks to be mentioned.

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« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 03 August 10 14:43 BST (UK) »
Private Ord. S. number 105 was sent home, wounded on 8.8.1917. He doesn't appear in the list of soldiers in the Battalion in November 1918 at the end of the war, so presumably he wasn't sent back to the front or he may have been transferred to another unit.

The 19th Battalion were at the Somme, they got to the woods west of Mailly-Maillet on the 6th July 1916. There job was to go into no-man's land, and construct a new jumping off trench 1000 yards long, 100 yards in front of the existing line. They had three nights to do the work. They lived in the woods and down in the hollow were 8 inch and 15 inch guns which shook the earth. Even though it was summer the duckboards in the trenches were covered over with 2 feet of yellow water. It took troops two and a half hours to reach the front line from the woods along a communications trench and this trench was often shelled by the enemy. When they got to the front the sight was appalling. " the dead lay in three regular parallel lines. three waves of Inniskillings and Newfoundlanders lay there as if on manoeuvres." While they were building the trench one wounded Inniskilling dragged himself into their trench. He had been in no-man's land for 6 days, inching himself back every night. By dawn the 19th Pioneers had to be clear of the trench. They came back to the woods covered in yellow mud from head to foot to sarcastic remarks from their mates. Three of the Pioneers were killed building that trench. They were at the Somme through July and August and the account I have read in the regimental history is terrible. "Tragedy, infinite tragedy lay in all directions". The !9th Battalion was a Pioneer Battalion, which meant "they were there, not to fight, but to work and be shot at."

Your Granddad was more than likely wounded at Villiers Fauchon on 12 July 1917. "W' Company was working in a system of  trenches called the Bird Cage. It was continuously straffed by the enemy, especially with trench mortars. The enemy were seen off by return fire, but they were bombarded again until 1.15am. There were six killed, 23 wounded, 11 wounded 'at duty' and 6 died later in hospital.  The company were congratulated on their work by the Divisional Commander the next day. That was the last casualties they saw before your Granddad was returned home, so he may have been in hospital in the intervening time.

All the information given is from my grandfather's copy of the Historical records of the 19th Battalion, Northumberland Fusiliers.

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« Reply #16 on: Thursday 05 August 10 08:28 BST (UK) »
Thanks so much for this - the conditions are unimaginable.  I am off to northern France later this year and would like to pay my respects at some of the battlefields,, now I know where to go - been a few times before, but that was before I knew my grandfather fought there.  The small man at the back to the right of the photo looks very much like my father and my brother and I know my grandfather was a short man .... I will see if I can positively identify him.  I think there's one person alive who may be able to help - except he's now quite old.

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« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 25 August 10 16:00 BST (UK) »
I came across this thread by accident whilst looking for something else, and was delighted to find some information regarding the 19th Btn RNF., there seems to be very little written about them.
Would Tessy please look in her copy of the Historical Records and see if she can find any reference to my grandfather Lt William Miller. He was from Berwick on Tweed, but was working as a teacher in Sunderland when he joined up which is why he ended up in the 19th.
I have a brass matchbox cover which is inscribed with his name and the regimental crest on one side, and a list of battles on the other:
Neuve Chapelle
Festubert
Armentieres
Beaumont Hamel
La Boiselle
Trones Wood
Delville Wood
Guillemont
Arras
St Quentin.
He was wounded several times, before finally receiving a "Blighty" when he lost his leg at, I think, Mametz. I would be delighted if I could get any further information about him.  I have a couple of pictures of him, and have attempted to attach one, he is standing on the right. It is also a very long shot, but does anyone know how to identify his friend? I have another photo of the 2 of them standing next to a ruined barn, and I remember my mother saying that she thought that he had been killed very shortly after the picture was taken.
Many thanks.