John Seago or Sago - circus groom // Ann Ardmile

[heywood]

possibilities for George Sago/ Seago

1851: HO107/1810 Folio: 421  Page: 5 
Aylsham, Norfolk - George aged 14 yrs , a wherryman (born Yarmouth) parents: Robert and Maria

1861 RG9/251 Folio: 79  Page: 34 
George Seago aged 21 yrs born Cambridge, Iron Plate Worker lodging in Bethnal Green. (other lodger born Cambridge so possibility of enumerator error??)
I know that ages do not tally- that can often happen. I have searched for Georges born around that time and Norfolk but cannot find anything.
Graham  - if you want fuller details please post.
Heywood

[heywood]

John never seems to be with the family  - as jorose says, maybe he is illegitimate or from a first marriage ?
I have searched for Augustus who seems to disappear after 1881 - perhaps he changed his name to John?
There are several possibilities I suppose.
I'm afraid I am stumped now and may have to retire. I do hope that you find something.
Did Amelia remain with Aunt Maria?
Lastly- just being nosey here - does 'Ardmile' come from Amelia's certificate and is it the writing that makes you 'guess' it?
You can search Irish BMD indexes at local LDS centres.
best wishes anyway
heywood

[gjb]

On Amelia's birth certificate it show Ann Seago formerly Ardmile. I've had several pairs of eyes look at this and going by the handwriting for other words on the cert, this is what we have worked out to say, having said that I am not convinced as I cant find any reference to this surname anywhere on the internet.

[heywood]

what a nuisance for you! No I have looked for it without success- there is Ardill but that's clutching at straws.
Last idea (!) - have you looked at Ethel's birth certificate- that might be clearer handwriting!

[gjb]

On Augustus was born George Augustus Sago born 1867 in poplar.

I think he is listed as both George and Augustus on different census, he married Alice Williment in 1898. He appears to have kept the name Sago, I think he had four daughters, none were Amelia Ann Seago.

It took nearly 4 week to get my order for Amelia Ann Seago birth cert, I may well order ethel's at a later date, if I cant find any further leads.

I wondered if Ardmile was an Irish surname and if he met her either working or when the circus came to town.

Amelia Seago stayed at abandoned with the Maria Randell.

Our family history or rumour, Although as with all family rumours this may or not be the whole story was Amelia was told her mother was Irish.

PS I would like to thank everyone who has help me with this topic

[heywood]

I had found George Augustus on one of the searches but then couldn't pick him up again- glad that's solved!
The Irish connection may come from grandma Ann though (sorry- not really doubting!)

[gjb]

Since my original posting, I have done a fair bit of research. my conclusion is that neither John Seago or Ann Ardmile exist and these were made up to avoid stigma of illegitimacy.

I ordered her sisters, Ethel Seago birth certificate these have different mother 'Maria Hownett' and father 'Arthur Seago' these names also don't appear on marriage register or match on previous census(es) to 1891. I conclude this was probably made up too.

Amelia Ann Seago marriage certificate shows no Father listed.

So I must conclude that her father was unknown to her, and that her father may have been a circus groom called John but I doubt his surname was Seago.

Who was Amelia Ann Seago mother, I am working on this still!

regards

Graham

[heywood]

so still unconclusive.
as you say the stigma may have been too much- parish records would perhaps at a long shot indicate something but don't know where you would find them.
Am trying to pick up the thread - at the time of writing I must have been in tune with it and am now working ou who is who.
Just looking over this- you write that Ann Seago was previously Ann Hodnett - and now we have that Ethel's mother was Maria Hownett - I wonder if 'Aunt Maria' is Ethel's mother?

[gjb]

I think on your last point that Ethel's mother was likely to be Maria Seago - Maria's mothers maiden name being Hodnett.

An Ethel Randall is listed as a witness on Amelia Ann Seago's marriage certificate and it is possible that these could be the same person.

It is possible in my mind that Maria Seago could be Amelia Ann Seago's mother but also it could be one of Maria's sisters either Amelia Barnes (nee Seago) who's husband (James Barnes) appears to have left her by 1891 census for another woman who he married not long after, or young sister Ellen Seago - I'm not sure but certainly Amelia's Grandmother was Ann Seago (nee Hodnett).

Too resolve this I think I need to contact my elderly great aunt in Australia via a third party by email.