What does ND mean?

[chloespop]

In the 1881 census, my great-great grandfather Richard Neal was living in North Wingfield. His occupation was Gardener ND.  Can anyone tell me what the ND meant?

Thanks

chloespop

[Berlin-Bob]

Found this answer in a correspondence on the same question in
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/Bristol_and_Somerset/2004-09/1094563700


After much discussion of whether it meant "Non Domestic", (or possibly even " Non Drinker" !), one correspondent added:

"I've been following this correspondence and have just found one of my clan
on the 1901 Knowle/Bedminster census, an old man of 82 described as
Gardener (not domestic), ie spelt out in full."

Another correspondent added:
"look at the image and you wil see these annotations for statistical pruposes
are in another handwriting

the census was made to provide statistics for governanve purposes

domestic = employed by a family

nd or not domestic means a coachman in a livery stables (for hire like a taxi)

BTW stage driver = omnibus driver
also a coachman"

So it seems that Non Domestic is "... for Hire", freelance, or self-employed as distinct from an employee, either of a family (servant) or a firm.

There is probably a similar sort of employed/self-employed  relationship between "tradesman" and Journeyman tradesman"

[chloespop]

Thanks very much for the information. Interesting that he could make a living as a self-employed gardener.  Or maybe he couldn't because in the 1891 census his occupation was parish sexton. I'm not quite sure what that job entailed, but it sounds like he cleaned a church.

chloespop

[Irene B]

Sexton also dug graves and looked after the graveyard - so he was still gardening in a way.

[chloespop]

Hi Ireneb,

Thank you for the information. According to the 1901 census, Richard was still the sexton, so I guess he must have dug a good many graves. 

Fred Smith (chloespop)

[Hackstaple]

"He went and told the Sexton and the Sexton tolled the Bell".

[chloespop]

Another of his duties.

[maybaby]

Thank you for posting this information about the definition of ND.

I am researching a man called William Thompson, who on the 1891 census, aged 52 and living in Northampton, is recorded as a Gentleman's Gardener too and I am trying to find out  where he was working.

I believe I may have found William on the 1861 census, working as a house servant at 5, Cavendish Terrace, Clapham, Wandsworth, London & Surrey in the house of John Humphrey who is described as 'Housekeeper'.

In 1881, I believe I have found him again in Northampton at 42, Gt Russell Street, Northampton Priory of St Andrew Aka Town Part, Northampton, Northamptonshire, England (although he is ten years younger than I think he should be). He is recorded as a Gardener (nd) as described here.

William seem to have remained in Northampton after that and on the 1901 census, I have found a William Thompson at 42 Great Russell Street. His occupation aged 62 is given as Market Gardener and his wife Harriet is described as a Greengrocer/Shopkeeper.  In 1911, aged 71, William was working as a Market Gardener too. 

I too am interested in the idea that a man who appears to have been a servant in his 20's, later appeared to have the money to set up as Market Gardener and his wife as a shop keeper.

[spendlove]

Hi,

Market garden was not necessarily large, he may have been renting the land, so only hard work
And seeds required.

If you look at the entry for Harriett Greengrocer/shopkeeper it also states at home, so
selling from the house in which the lived.

So no large capital expenditure.

Spendlove