Cantle look up 1861

[skeletonkeys]

Hi

I'd be grateful if someone with access to the 1861 census could look up the Cantle family living in Maesteg (Llangynwyd Higher). Father Joseph Cantle, mother Hannah, children - William, Amelia and Letitia.  It may be spelt incorrectly as Cantell or Cantel.

Thanks

Helen

[Welsh Jen]

It looks as though Joseph died prior to 1861:

Glamorgan Family History Society 1861 Census CD
4082 1861 CENSUS OF LLANGYNWYD HIGHER. R.G.9/4082, E.D.10.                                                                           
Piece: 4082      Folio: 038     Schedule: 194
Address: MCGAREL ROW 14         

CANTLE HANNAH              HD W  58   HOUSE KEEPER             
                                      GLS BITTON                       (c1803)
CANTLE LETITIA             DA U  23   IRON ORE CLEANER         
                                      GLA LLANGYNWYD                   (c1838)
CANTLE AMELIA              DA U  22   IRON ORE CLEANER         
                                      GLA LLANGYNWYD                   (c1839)
CANTLE WILLIAM             SO U  19   IRON ORE HAULIER         
                                      GLA LLANGYNWYD                   (c1842)

There are 13 matches to the name in the 1861 census (including yours)

Also found them inm 1841:
Glamorgan Family History Society 1841 Census CD
District Name: Neath               Enumeration District: 17 Higher Hamlet         
Piece: 1422/12      Folio: 019     Schedule: 047
Address: TONNEWYDD ROW         

N 17 019 047  TONNEWYDD ROW          CANTLE JOSEPH              25   (c1816)
                                     SPELTERMAN                      NO 
N 17                                 CANTLE HANNAH              35   (c1806)
                                     -                               NO 
N 17                                 CANTLE LETISHER             4   (c1837)
                                     -                               YES
N 17                                 CANTLE AMMELIA              2   (c1839)
                                     -                               YES

[skeletonkeys]

Jen

Thank you so much thats lovely of you. 

I mentioned elsewhere on this site (probably misfiled by me) that Amelia had a child called John in 1863 (my great grandfather). He appears on a later census but with the surname Cantle.

Local church records say Amelia is the mother but the father isnt named. I dont understand why John hasnt taken the surname of his father. He wasnt the only child - there was also a Britannia and Stephen and I find it hard to believe Amelia would have had three children out of wedlock. Its an important point to me because if she did marry I shouldnt be a Cantle at all!.

I cant find John's birth records so not sure where to go next.  Are there any other look up tables that could help trace John, his father's details or Amelia's marriage?  I've tried the usual locations but am no expert in this area.

PS - John appears in the 1871 census with his family but disappears in the 1881 census only to materialise again in 1894 when he marries Alice Hawker.

Helen

[Welsh Jen]

I know it is not really what you want to here  but going by what you say, it does sound like those 3 children born after 1861 were born out of wedlock. If she is listed as a Widow in 1861 it would be pretty hard for her to conceive  . I would try and get hold of Joseph Cantle's death certificate to make sure that he did actually die (and they were not simply estranged).

I would say though that if the children do not have fathers listed on their certificates the children have probably taken their mothers married name so it sounds like they were legitimate but actually they were not.


.............I will have a dig about over the next few minutes and see if I can come up with anything to post here on this message.

Found this in 1881:

   Dwelling:   2 N Garrel Row
   Census Place:   Llangynwyd Higher, Glamorgan, Wales
   Source:   FHL Film 1342285     PRO Ref RG11    Piece 5336    Folio 61    Page 15
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
William CANTELL   U   36    M   Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales
   Rel:   Son (Head)
   Occ:   Haulier C Mine
Letisha Elizth. CANTELL   U   38    F   Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales
   Rel:   Dau (Sister)
   Occ:   C Mine
Amelia Maud Mary CANTELL   U   34    F   Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales
   Rel:   Dau (Sister)
   Occ:   Lab In C Mine
Amelia Brittania CANTELL   U   19    F   Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales
   Rel:   Dau (Sister)
   Occ:   House Keeper
Stephen CANTELL   U   15    M   Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales
   Rel:   Son (Brother)
   Occ:   Ironstone Miner


Found a death for a Letitia Cantle (free bmd):
Deaths Mar 1895
Cantle  Letitia  56  Bridgend  11a 542


These were the only death I could find (free bmd):
Surname  First name(s)  Age  District  Vol  Page 
Deaths Mar 1840
CANTLE  Joseph    Bristol  11 147   

Deaths Dec 1850
CANTLE  Joseph     Bristol  11 142   

Deaths Jun 1858
Cantle  Joseph     Keynsham  5c 506

This last one is odd though, I came across a death of a Hannah Cantle also in Keynsham, her birthyear would be out though (this one was born around c. 1787)

Surname  First name(s)  Age  District  Vol  Page 
Deaths Mar 1874
CANTLE  Hannah  87  Keynsham  5c 549

The district Keynsham spans the boundaries of the counties of Gloucestershire and Somerset, If I am correct Hannah was born in the Gloucestershire region and Joseph was not born in Glamorgan, so his orgins may also be in Gloucestershire

[skeletonkeys]

Thanks Jen for all the feedback. Yes Joseph and Hannah were born in Bitton. 

I believe Hannah died in 1878 in Maesteg as she shows up under Ancestry.com and that makes sense as she disappears off the census before 1881.

The Keynsham one for Joseph looks interesting and I think I'll get that death certificate just to know one way or the other. 

Thanks for your help - its nice at times just to log my thoughts somewhere and get feedback.

Helen
xxx

[Welsh Jen]

Just read this thought you would be interested in this:

Hi Carol
This piece from my Time Line and the Tech Words feature on Illegitimacy

'Before 1875, the mother was allowed to name any man as the father;  he was not required to acknowledge paternity. From that date , a man could only be named as the father if he consented and was present at the registration. ..'

http://home.clara.net/tirbach/HelpPagepearls6.html#20th
http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks3.html#Illegit

[alexblower]

Can you tell me if any of these people have relation to Glenys Cantle who lived in Maesteg, she was my grandmother