Edward Winter of Leybourne

[jmedwards]

You are most welcome. Maria Winter Day was my great grandmother. She married Thomas Henry Oldridge/Aldridge. He had been brought to Hull as a baby by his mother who was widowed one month before he was born. She had taken up with a chap called John Slipper and for many years he had been known as Thomas Henry Slipper. It takes some detective work this genealogy doesn't it? Not easy for me as I live in Cyprus!

[lezhow]

Hi All - looks like the dice may have just rolled in my favour.

George Scott Winter was my 2nd great-grandfather and his history has been a pain in the butt ever since I started researching my family tree about 10 years ago.

I actually have a copy of the  birth certificate for George (father Harvey Scott and mother Maria nee Atkin) - but never felt it was correct as there were too many loose ends that I couldn't confirm.

Just so you know I am in Australia so the internet is my main source of research, as well as being a member of the EYFHS. I have just spent another hour this morning trying to find a marriage certificate for Maria and Edward - no need now - as part of my continual research on George's past.

On George's marriage certificate (June 1868) to my (2x great-grandmother, Sarah Jane Taylor) he calls himself George Scott Winter and notes his father as Edward. They had at least 7 children and all were registered as Scott Winter (some with hyphen however most without).

An interesting side note is that when George married Sarah Jane Taylor the wedding certificate states he was a widower. I have a copy of his (June 1862) marriage certificate to Ann Maria Hill, again he calls himself George Scott Winter and notes his father as Edward Winter. The big problem I have with this is that I can't find any death details for Ann Maria, and haven't been able to track down any births (too many to choose from, gets a little expensive).

It is interesting that, if you are correct in that Maria and Edward never married that George took on the Winter name.

Would be happy to share any information or combine forces to research!

Regards

Lez

[beardmore21]

Lez - I have a copy of the 68 M cert for George and Sarah Jane, since my friend Jess is descended from one of their kids - John. Interesting that you say "at least 7 kids"  since my census search had only turned up 5 of them?   I take it you are down from one of the others than John?    The news of the non-marraige of Edward and Maria puts a new spin on the tree, I guess;  Edward thru father Edward takes the Winter name back - but the blood-line now goes back thru Harry/Harvey  Scott as father. I can't find anything earlier on him - presumably someone reads this as a call for help and comes up with info. if I/we are lucky ? (again).
Derek

[Geoff-E]

but the blood-line now goes back thru Harry/Harvey  Scott as father. I can't find anything earlier on him - presumably someone reads this as a call for help and comes up with info.

This (although it's a submitted IGI record) - looks about right http://tinyurl.com/2w8yvz2

FreeReg has it too http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Baptisms&RecordID=5847910

and a marriage http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Marriages&RecordID=1891743 (my index says he was a widower, perhaps 1st marriage 1794 Louth to Sarah KEITHLEY)

[lezhow]

Hi Derek - no I travel down through John Henry Scott Winter, same one (?) as Jess  - which son of John Henry Scott Winter does Jess come from?

When I noted George and Sarah had at least 7 kids I may have led you astray. I know there is definitely 7 (I have copies of the birth certificates) but there is also a reference to another which I haven't been able to confirm.

My mother was born a Winter so it will be interesting when I tell her it's not quite correct. Is there any actual way to find out if Edward Winter did actually adopt George and John Scott?

I have another family member joining the same line in 1898 where one of the Census records show one of the children as "adopted daughter" - and I have managed to get a copy her original / correct birth certificate, showing her actual birth mother, but don't know where to start for getting records on adoptions (or if you can).

The non-marriage of Edward and Maria means I know need to travel in a different direction - back to Louth I guess! Thanks for the links Geoff-E I will investigate and let you if I come to the same conclusion.

Lez

[beardmore21]

Lez  -  for George and Sarah census only gives    (Hannah, Anne, Rose, John H, George S) - from where did you get the others?
Jess' s  father was John William  - your mum is down from Victor or Leonard, I presume?
Have you had fun going back thru Jonathan Wood the Master as well?  (Master of sea-going vessel or canal barge, I wonder?)-(also Akeroyds).       Where in Oz are you, by the way?
Regards.....    Derek

[lezhow]

Hey Derek

For George and Sarah there are (and in birth order):

Anna Maria (may also be know as Hannah)
Rose
John Henry
Amelia
George
Alice
Lily

I have birth certificates for all of them.

Joan William Winter is my mother's uncle - John Henry's children are:

Emmanuel Victor
John William
Leonard
Jane Elizabeth
Edward

Mum's dad is Edward

For John William, my Mum mentioned that her Uncle Bill and Aunt Florence had between 3 and 5 kids, and have only been able confirm 4 - I would take it that Jess is the missing child. If we are on the right / same level this would make Jess and Mum 1st cousins. can you confirm? If so maybe we should connect them up - I've already been able to do this for mum on her maternal side.

Yes the Wood's and the Akeroyd's (Ackroyd or Akroyd) have at times also driven me mad - there are still many "missing" links I have to work on and not enough time. Over the last couple of years I have spent a lot of time on my mother's maternal side, and only last weekend found connections back to the 1870's with Australia and New Zealand.

I live in Clovelly (Eastern Suburbs, Bondi way) about 7km from Sydney city. 

Lez

[beardmore21]

Hi Lez;  we almost need direct email for some exchange of data! The 1911 census shows the first 4 and a fifth: George Harry, who is shown as about 1 - and deceased for the census. Since Jess only knew of 4, I didn't look further!  Edward I see is 1st Q 1912;  I shall now have to question her, and also about her B + S, which I left off as I started at her   -  be in touch.....
Derek

[beardmore21]

Lez   -  Further to that - yes, uncle Ted was forgotten temporarily, so we would be able to link up cousins!
Over to you as to how we do it - I take it that mum is still in UK??
Derek