I cant find her mother - Lincolnshire

[clairenorman39]

I see what you are getting at with the Hostheads as I have considered that myself. The thing is Frederick George Robinson (Dorothys father )was married as it says he is a widow on the 1861 census. I presume this was to Dorothys mother. She must have died before 1859 as I know from  Dorothys admission record to the naughty girls school that she was by then living with Aunt Ellen Broomhead in Chapel Walk Masborough.
Its driving me potty this one. I dont live anywhere near Lincolnshire so dont know when I can view records.
Is it poss that she was born elsewhere and just presumed it was Gainsborough?

[Valda]

It only says on C19th certifcates what people told the officials. I research a one name study of a sufficient size that I have birth certificates of people who are being registered as legitimate when I can prove they were illegitimate. I have marriage certificates of illegitimate people fabricating legitimate father's names. I even have marriage certificates of people marrying bigamously claiming they were widowed.
Because Frederick George says he was a widowed on his second marriage unfortunately does not make it true. He might be widowed he might not. At this point there is no evidence either way. However it is also perfectly possible his first marriage was as Frederick Robinson and he didn't use his second name, or worse just as George. People often just used their first or sometimes second name when they married. It is also possible that even if Dorothy was born in Gainsborough her birth might have been registered elsewhere as you had 6 weeks to register the birth. It was compulsory to register births but there was no punishment for not registering a birth until 1875 so some births just were not registered...but then there is no census either and there still is the child doppelganger who appears to diappear after the 1851 census.

It may be a waste of time checking the Gainsborough baptisms and you might have to employ someone to do it (or request a lookup in the registers on Rootschat, or join Lincolnshire FHS and see if they have transcripts or offer lookups - many societies do).

Regards

Valda

[clairenorman39]

I wonder if there is a birth record for Dorothy Hosthead or whatever name it was?
Maybe I will go and check the bmd records.
Yes - I had seen the marriage for Fred to Sarah Berry - I should look her up too.
Thanks all of you joining in on the hunt.
Claire.

[Valda]

The details of Dorothy's birth registration (mistranscribed by FreeBMD) are on the thread. If she was illegitimate her father's name unfortunately is likely to be left blank on her birth certificate.
I believe the name on the birth index for Dorothy is Hosthead checked by Geoff.

Sometimes vicars on baptisms can be more informative.

Regards

Valda

[hcoldron]

because there was no Dorothy Robinson birth registration in Gainsborough (or Lincolnshire).

It's worth noting that although Gainsborough is in Lincolnshire, it's right on the county boarder with Nottinghamshire - there may be something in East Retford (a favourite in my family!)

[clairenorman39]

On the Bmd search, these are the births that come up for Dorothy Robinson around the time:
Newtle Tyne 1844
Gateshead 1844
Settle  1845
Garstang  1845
Teesdale   1846
Cockermouth  1847

I have no idea about the locations of these places. Any suggestions please?

[Geoff E]

On the Bmd search, these are the births that come up for Dorothy Robinson around the time:
Newtle Tyne 1844
Gateshead 1844
Settle  1845
Garstang  1845
Teesdale   1846
Cockermouth  1847

I have no idea about the locations of these places. Any suggestions please?

All "up north", all 100 miles away or more.

[hcoldron]

On the Bmd search, these are the births that come up for Dorothy Robinson around the time:
Newtle Tyne 1844
Gateshead 1844
Settle  1845
Garstang  1845
Teesdale   1846
Cockermouth  1847

I have no idea about the locations of these places. Any suggestions please?

If you're unsure where somewhere is, try looking up on a map engine, I find Google-maps (http://maps.google.co.uk/) is pretty good. You can also have two places mapped to see how close they are.


Also, have you tried all the shortenings for dorothy? Dorothea, Dorothy – Dol, Dolly, Dora

[audrey]

Newcastle on tyne = Northumberland
Gateshead= Durham
walking ditance of each other

Settle
Garstang
Cockermouth all =Cumberland now Cumbria

Teesdale =Durham[part of ]some Teeside

audrey