I cant find her mother - Lincolnshire

[JAP]

Hi Claire,

Not sure what your question marks after 'cooper' imply.  Are you not sure of the transcription or of the occupation?  In case it's the occupation, a Cooper was someone who made barrels/casks.

...  Do the Dorothy birth records from Gainsborough have to be discarded.
...
Might the Dorothy BERRY who died in Gainsborough in 1852 not have been the same as the Dorothy BERRY born there in Sep qtr 1849?  Perhaps she might have been an older Dorothy BERRY after whom the 1849 Dorothy BERRY was named?
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Perhaps burial records might help.

And it would be good to find each Dorothy in the 1851?  And to find Fred ...  And Sarah Ann (BERRY) ROBINSON. ...

Of course, Dorothy BERRY may well be the Dorothy BERRY, aged 1, found in 1851 in Misterton by GeoffE.

And the dob does not fit with later census records for Dorothy ROBINSON.

Purchase of the  birth certificate of Dorothy BERRY b 1849 (more expenditure  ) should prove or disprove this.

Unless someone might have access to the registers of the Independent Chapel of Doncaster Union in case Dorothy was baptized there (with whatever surname)?

And Frederick George ROBINSON and wife Sarah Ann (nee BERRY) have (as far as I recall) still not been found in 1851.  Nor has 'Dorothy'.

JAP

[clairenorman39]

I did track Dorothy Berry's birth down. Fred and Sarah were not the parents so we can rule that out I guess.
It seems strange that Dot Robinson always said her birthday was 1845-46 and was consistent in being born in Gainsborough.
Could she really have been born up to four years later?

In 1861 when she was in the reformatory in West Riding - I have the report - it only says her fathers name so mother must have died before then. Mind you the report aged Dorothy at 14 but did say she was small for her age.
it also says she was residing with her aunt Ellen in Wakefield at the time of offence commited. That was in Wakefield.
fred is found in later census's in Peterborough.
I wonder if he went there with Sarah or after she died?

[katherinem]

I am afraid, none of the following offers any clues, but I thought they could possibly help:

1841 census, Silver Street, Doncaster (H0107/1340/4, Folio 38, Page 10)
Ann Berry, 50, Laundress (All were born in county)
William Berry, 14
Edward    "   , 18
Carroline  "  , 19
Sarah Berry, 17
John Berry, 8
Sarah Applyard, 25


Also on the 1861 census mentioned earlier in the thread for William Broomhead and wife Ellen, there is a son on the next page by the name of Hennith, on FreeBMD (1858), it gives his full names as Hennith Charles Frederick Broomhead.

Regards,
Kath

[clairenorman39]

Dorothy Berry born 1849 Gainsborough died 1852 Gainsborough.
What are your thoughts on the liklihood of Sarah being Dorothy's mother?
Thanks
Claire

[katherinem]

Hi Claire,

For what it is worth; I think that the Dorothy that Geoff E, found in Misterton is the one that the birth and death relates to; as Misterton is listed as a sub district for the registration district of Gainsborough, so the Dorothy Berry's birth registration fits with the Dorothy Berry in Misterton on the 1851 (parents John Berry and Elizabeth).

This particular Dorothy disappears after 1851.  On the 1861, all the other children are still at home with John and Elizabeth.

Regards,
Kath

[clairenorman39]

  oh this Dorothy business drives me mad.
Im going to pay for someone at the archives to research and look up the registars for Dorothy.
Did people slip through the net and not get formally registered?
I thought it became law in 1837 to formally registar births?
Claire

[katherinem]

oh this Dorothy business drives me mad.
Claire

The above is understandable

I am afraid apart from deaths (needed for the burial), there were a lot of births and marriages not registered before 1875.

The law changed in 1875, whereby it became a serious offence.

Kath

[Valda]

There is an unmarried Caroline Berry aged 39, born Doncaster and living at 18 Silver Street Doncaster on the 1861 census.
I can't see the Berry family in Silver Street on the 1851 census (I've checked down the street - as long as it appears only once on the census). If they were living on Silver Street in 1851 and have been missed off the census, then there is a chance that the Robinsons may have been residing with them, which would account for why they can't be found on that census.

Regards

Valda

[clairenorman39]

Well done Valda - and thank you.
I wonder if Sarah and Fred had anymore children?
Im trying to find Sarah Anns death - to see how and when she died.
I wonder if Sarah went to Peterborough with Fred - he was living with his sister Ann there in 1861.
He worked the railways - I should find out more about that I guess.
All the little pieces of the puzzle slot in but in this case the important pieces are missing.
How would people be missed off of the census? Just that they were out on the night or away?
Regards
Claire