Palmer Cornwall and/or Devon 1841-51-61-71

[crowboy97]

Hi all,


I am hoping that a keen rootschatter is willing to pursue this request please.


Last August debbi2k kindly located the following family at the 1851 census at Roborough Cottage 3, Buckland Monachorum Devon.

John Palmer, Head Male Miner 37 born Buckland Monachorum Devon.
Catharine Palmer, Wife Female 39 born Mary Tavy Devon.

Their two daughters Hannah Maria Palmer born 1840/41 (cannot locate birth) and Elizabeth Jane Palmer born 19 July 1842 in Horrabridge Buckland Monachorum Devon (have birth certificate) were not listed with them.

The 1861 Census locates the following at Liskeard (Pond Bridge or Cannon Hill) RG9/1529 Folio 58 Page 12 Schedule 9.

John Palmer, Head  Miner 48 born Buckland Devon
Cathlina Palmer, Wife  49 born Mary Tavy Devon
Annie M Palmer, Daughter 20 born Breage Cornwall (unless birthplace recorded wrongly).

What I would like to establish is:

1. the 1841 census disposition of John Palmer and Cathalina/Cathlina Palmer (maiden name Vosper) and Hannah Maria Palmer.

2. The 1851 Census disposition of Hannah Maria (Annie M )Palmer and Elizabeth Jane Palmer as they were not listed with their parents. (I have marriage certiificates for both girls - 1861 and 1863, migrated to Australia in 1865).

3. The 1861 Census disposition of Elizabeth Jane Palmer.

4. The 1871 census disposition of Cathalina Palmer (John Palmer died in 1862 - have death certificate).  She re-married in 1875 (have marriage certificate).

I hope this request makes sense.

Thanks


Crowboy

[janan]

Hi
Can't find them in Cornwall in 1841 . The most likely possibility in Devon is this family - I know it says Caroline but I have come across Catherine/Caroline interchangebility before. Worth holding on file anyway.
Cheers Jan

Horrabridge, Buckland Monachorum
John Palmer 25 Labour Quarry
Caroline do 25
Nicholas do 5
Hannah do 3
All born in county
HO107/240/7 Pg12

[osprey]

Hi,

in reply to question 2, there is a Hannah Palmer born Buckland age 13 a servant in the household of Richard Horn, New Inn, Sourton H0107/1885/305/14 which ties in with age from previous reply. Also, there is a plain Jane Palmer born Buckland with grandparents William and Jane Palmer at Lake (farm?) Tavistock on H0107/1883/110/10. Age is out by 2 years but gps might have made a mistake. Other sons in household also born Buckland like Elizabeth Jane's father.

Are these possibles?

[cookiecrisp]

1851

John palmer,head, mar, 50, farmer, b. lamerton dev
jane, wife, 50, b. stowford dev
elizabeth j., dau, u, 19, b stoke climsland cornwall
mary h. j., dau, u, 17     ditto
hannah m., dau, 12,        ditto
francis, son, 10,               ditto
sarah e., dau, 7,              ditto
john palmer, nephew, 14 farm servant, b stoke climsland
John gregory, servant, 21, b. north petherwin cornwall.

Living stoke climsland cornwall. district 4c page 37
ho107/1899

Thia looks like the family, with both daughters living at home.

[krisesjoint]

Hi Crowboy...Here is Elizabeth in 1861 

RG9/1447 Folio 66 Page 47
The Temperance Inn
1 Lower Buckingham Place
East Stonehouse

home of  Benjamin C Cross Tailor employing 12 men and 20 women and Hotel

PALMER Eliz^th J Servant 18 b Horrabridge Devon

Cheers Kris 

[krisesjoint]

Hi again Crowboy.....Not coming up with much else. I think Hannah mentioned by osprey is probably right (Can't come up with another option anyway)  and also in the same household as Hannah we have Keziah  a 15 servant also b Buckland. (both House Servants...Richard Horn Farmer 66 acres 1 labourer - and Victualler) Now looking at 1841 I can see

HO107-0240 Folio 11 Page 17
Ridout's Lake
Buckland Monachorum

PALMER William 60 Y Farmer
PALMER Jane 55 Y
PALMER Samuel 20 Y Ag Lab
PALMER George 15 Y Ag Lab
PALMER James 14 Y Ag Lab
PALMER Kezia 4 Y
PALMER Elizabeth 20 Y

Now Jane seems a little old to be the mother of Kezia....Now looking at 1851 we have the same family also mentioned by osprey and it has a lot of similarities with the 1841 entry provided by janan also just a little worry who the children belong to  Only possibilities I am coming up with and putting janan's 41 in here too they all appear connected but are they yours 

HO107/1883 Folio 110 Page 10
Lake
Buckland Monachorum

PALMER William Head 74 Mar b Bratton Clovelly Farmer 90 Acres
PALMER Jane Wife 66 Mar b Bratton Clovelly Farmers Wife
PALMER Samuel Son 24 Unm b Buckland Monachorum Farmers Son
PALMER George Son 21 Unm b Buckland Monachorum Farmers Son
PALMER James Son 18 Unm b Buckland Monachorum Farmers Son
PALMER Nicholas Son 14 Unm b Buckland Monachorum Farmers Son
PALMER George Grandson 11 b Sampford Courtney
PALMER Jane Granddaughter 7 b Buckland Monachorum

Cheers Kris  (Not talking bout the footy  )

[janan]

I have searched every which way but can't find Catharine/Cathalina anywhere in 1871 Where was she living when she remarried? Have you found her remarried in 1881 - what does she give her birthplace as?

Jan

[krisesjoint]

Looks like Reg in Plympton Jan. I have tried everything also and I can't find her either....Kris 

[janan]

Not just me then
Jan