Family of Christian RENFREY

[davierj]

I'm searching for the family of Christian Renfrey.   Infomation from the IGI, census returns and FreeBMD show that she was born about 1784 in Gwennap and died 1868 in Truro District, probably Kea.   She married Collan Datson in 1803.

Any information as to her parents, ancestors and children greatly appreciated.

Cheers Dave

[cookiecrisp]

1841

christian datson, 55, ind.
mary datson, 25,
martha, 20,
harriet, 15,
alice, 10

all born in county, living hugus, kea, cornwall

many other datsons living in kea including this household

collan, 73, tin miner
elizabeth, 40,
ann, 12
william, 10,
john 8,
james, 6
elizabeth 3,
joseph 4 months

living at baldue, kea. All born in county.

[davierj]

Hi Cookiecrisp,

Thanks for the info, that looks like her at 55, allowing for the age adjustment in the 1841 census, probably with her children.

Cheers Dave   

[krisesjoint]

Hi Dave,

Still having a tidy up and getting sidetracked  Did you ever learn any more about Christian?

I see her baptism is listed 17 Aug 1783 in Gwennap Parents Thomas and Martha 

Her Parents Marriage

Thomas RENFREY = Martha CORNISH 12 Oct 1779 Gwennap

at least a Brother Thomas 25 Jun 1780

Collen DATSON baptised 17 Jun 1781 Kea Father William

there is a marriage in Kea of William DATSON = Mary BORROWS both of Kea 17 Jun 1780

There is that marriage of a Collin DATSON and Alice REEP both of Kea 5 Oct 1751 Kenwyn

and then there is a marriage of a Collan DATSON and Anne DAVIE both of Kea 5 Oct 1761 Kenwyn (Same date 10 years on)

Collen DATSON = Christian RENFREY 24 Dec 1803 Kea

also I did notice

Collan DATSON = Mary RHODDA 24 Apr 1802 Kea

Baptisms to Collen and Christian in Kenwyn

Hugh 5 Apr 1805
Mary 25 Jan 1807 aged 1 Year
Ann 2 Apr 1809 aged 1 Year
William 18 Feb 1815 Father Miner of Kea
Martha 19 Jul 1818 Father Miner of Chacewater

Baptisms to Collen and Christian in Kea

Harriet 21 May 1820
James 6 Nov 1822
Allice 21 Aug 1825

Burials

William DATSON 19 Apr 1821 Kea All Hallows aged 49 Years
Ann DATSON 24 Jun 1817 Kea All Hallows aged 7 (There is the baptism of an Ann in Kea 2 July 1811 parents Collen and Mary - so there are 2 Collins)
Collon DATSON 11 May 1830 Kea All Hallows aged 19 Years
Cullan DATSON 12 Apr 1829 Kea All Hallows aged 48 Years
Mary DATSON 25 Dec 1831 Kea All Hallows aged 75 Years
James DATSON 16 Apr 1836 Kea All HGallows aged 13 Years

Thomas RENFREY 5 Sep 1819 Gwennap St Weneppa aged 40 Years
Martha RENFREY 24 Dec 1832 Gwennap St Weneppa aged 76 Years
Thomas RENFREY 12 Dec 1834 Gwennap St Weneppa aged 84 Years

1851 Census

HO107/1910 Folio 729 Page 6
Baldhu
Kea

DADSON (sic) Christian Head 66 Widow b Gwennap Pauper
DADSON Harriet Dau 29 Unm b Kea Pauper
DADSON Alice Dau 24 Unm b Kea Works at Mine

widow Elizabeth DADSON 57 Next door

1861 Census

RG9/1562 Folio 77 Page 7
Baldhu
Kea

DATSON Christian Head 75 Widow b Gwennap School Mistress
DATSON Harriet Dau 37 Unm b Kea Tin Miner

Merry Xmas Dave......Hope there is something there to help you......Cheers Kris 

[krisesjoint]

Here is something else I am sure you will want Dave. 

This should keep you out of trouble for a while

RENFREY Thomas =  DATSON Jane 5 Dec 1801 Kea

REMFRY Thomas (Signed RENFREY) = HARRIS Grace 1 Apr 1827 Kenwyn by Banns witnesses George HARRIS and Benjamin BAKER

South Australian Info

Jane RENFRAY died age 75 19 Jun 1853  Dist Ade 2 219 (Death Place, Residence, Marital Staus and Relative Not Recorded)

Richard HAWKE Mar aged 61 died 22 Sep 1868 Hawkers Creek Dist Kap 33 140 William HAWKE Probable Relative

Jane HAWKE Widow aged 70 died 28 Feb 1876 Hawkers Creek Dist Kap 72 94 rel Richard Hawke Deceased Husband

HAWKE James Renfrey 22 Father Richard = TREWARTHA Elizabeth 22 Father Elisha 5 Nov 1859 Res Elisha Trewartha Kapunda Dist Kap 40 272

Children James Renfrey HAWKE and Elizabeth TREWARTHA

Richard HAWK 6 Apr 1861 Ross Creek Dist Kap 22 336
James 25 Sep 1862 Kapunda Dist Kap 25 375
Elizabeth Jane 9 May 1864 Kapunda Dist Kap 30 535
William 5 Apr 1867 Kapunda Dist Kap 51 430
Mary Louisa 2 Jan 1869 Kapunda Dist Kap 70 447 died aged 8 weeks 27 Feb 1869 Kapunda Dist Kap 34 274 Rel James Renfrey Hawke Father
Mary Louisa 12 Mar 1870 Kapunda Dist Kap 81 414 died aged 31 Years 12 Feb 1901 Kapunda Dist Kap 275 334
Looks like she had a child
Norman Leslie HAWKE 27 Jul 1890 Kapunda Dist Kap 463 442 Father is listed as Walter BURR and their is a second entry listing the child as Norman Leslie Hawke BURR died aged 2 12 Aug 1892 Kapunda Dist Kap 204 88
John 10 May 1872 Kapunda Dist Kap 109 203

HAWKE Nathaniel 22 Single Father Richard = OSBORNE Elizabeth 21 Single father John 21 Oct 1871 res John Osborne Hawkers Creek Dist Kap 89 141

Nathaniel died aged 63 years 1 Apr 1913 Nr Millicent Dist Gre 373 317 Rel R Hawke Son

Children of Nathaniel HAWKE and Elizabeth OSBORNE

Nathaniel 13 sep 1872 Hawkers Creek Dist Kap 114 56
William Henry 28 Aug 1874 Hawkers Creek Dist Kap 140 386 died aged 15 Years 13 Jun 1890 Lake Bonney nr Millicent Dist Gre 186 438 Rel Nathan Hawke Father
Elizabeth Jane 25 Apr 1881 Millicent Dist Gre 260 382
Richard 15 Apr 1883 Lake Bonney Dist Gre 311 337
Walter 5 Jan 1888 Nr Millicent Dist Gre 410 174
Grace 1 Oct 1890 Nr Millicent Dist Gre 467 431

HAWKE John 28 Single Father Richard = REECE Mary Elizabeth 24 Single father John 4 Jun 1868 Res Richard Hawke Kapunda Dist Kap 75 797

Children of John HAWKE and Mary Elizabeth REES/REECE

To add to what you have
Unnamed Male 15 Dec 1874 Kapunda Dist Kap 147 267 died aged 10 days 24 Dec 1874 Hawkers Creek Dist Kap 64 428
William Herbert born 18 June not 16th
Edith Maria died 8 Apr 1877 aged 16 Months Kapunda Dist Kap 80 270

James CHANT = Mary Jane HAWKE - Marriage not found

Mary Jane CHANT aged 51 Mar died 24 Jan 1895 Nr Tantanoola Dist Gre 224 290 Rel James Chant Husband

Children of James CHANT and Mary HAWKE

Adelaide 25 Feb 1867 Mount Gambier Dist Gre 50 580 died aged 4 weeks 28 Mar 1867 Mt Gambier Dist Gre 26 563
Mary Jane 26 Feb 1868 Crompton Dist Gre 61 210
Henry Lewis 16 Aug 1870 The Springs Nr Mount Gambier Dist Gre 86 740 died aged 5 weeks  22 Sep 1870 Nr Mt Gambier Dist Gre 39 226
James Henry 22 Oct 1871 The Springs Nr Mount Gambier Dist Gre 102 125
Lewis Alfred 4 Aug 1874 Mayurra Dist Gre 140 335
Anna 1 Apr 1877 Hd of Mayurra Dist Gre 180 445 Died aged 4 Years 7 Apr 1881 Mt Gambier of Hd of Mayurra Dist Gre 110 89
Unnamed Male 15 Aug 1879 NR Dist Gre 224 238 died aged 7 days 20 Aug 1879 Hd of Mayurra Dist Gre 97 107 Rel James Chant Father
Maria Louisa 4 Nov 1880 Hd of Mayurra Dist Gre 251 59
Joseph Edward 2 Aug 1883 Hd of Mayurra Dist Gre 310 249 Died aged 10 days 12 Aug 1883 hd of Mayurra Dist Gre 131 8
John 26 Sep 1884 German Flat Dist Gre 337 200 died aged 16 days 12 Oct 1884 German Flat Dist Gre 141 348

MEAD Samuel 22 Single father Thomas = HAWKE Maria 21 Single father Richard  4 Mar 1868 res Richard Hawke Hawkers Creek Dist Kap 75 24

Maria MEAD died 7 Apr 1871 aged 25 years Hawkers Creek Dist Kap 42 69 Rel Samuel Mead Husband

Passed my bed time, ive been at it to long.....I will think I have adopted your family soon......Cheers Kris 

[davierj]

Hi Kris,
Well what can I say  - please keep tidying up

This information will certainly keep me busy and off the streets until well after Xmas.   You've discovered a number of gaping holes in my tree, the biggest for me is the marriage of my 3 G Grandparents, Thomas and Grace Renfrey, together with a wealth of information on the Datsons and Renfreys in Cornwall.

Then there is the Australian connection  Richard Hawke and Jane Renfrey who arrived Adelaide on the Reliance in September 1851.   Her parents, Thomas Renfrey and Jane Datson, were my 4 G Grandparents my line coming through Jane's brother Thomas (he who married Grace who I now know to be Grace Harris ).   If you follow the Hawke line through James Renfrey Hawke and Elizabeth Trewartha you come to a number of well known Australians, including a P.M. 1983 to 1991.

Another coincidence is that the Hawkes, as miners, initially settled in the Kapunda area of South Australia where my brother in law lived for 30 years - sadly before I was aware of the connection.

If you wish to see my Australian links, access my tree through the link in my profile to The Welsh Connection and going back from my mother, Daisy Jenkins, through the Renfreys.   Thanks to you there will now be a great number of names to add.

Many thanks for your thoughtfulness and kindness in taking the time to research my Cornish and Australian cousins.   I hope you have a very happy Christmas and a swift resolution to your Wiltshire conundrum 

Cheers Dave

[krisesjoint]

Hi Dave,

Glad you liked.  I saw your Christian Post hadn't really done much so thought I would see what I could discover which turned out to be rather a lot. I did look at your tree yesterday when I came upon an overload of Colin Datson's to see if you had any others listed and that is how I saw your most wanted was a certain marriage.  Couldn't find William Edward baptism or Marriage 

Luckilly I managed to find Thomas and Grace's marriage and I planned to leave it there but when I saw SA involved I couldn't help myself had to continue with it though only did the first generation here. I saw you had dates on Williams Line so left that one for now and concentrated on those you didn't have. Now with this name dropping I shall have to continue that James Renfrey line wont I. Just took a quick look and I see you don't have dates there. It never entered my mind yesterday although now you mention it I do recall somewhere in my memory that a certain somebody though thought of as a West Ozzie was born in the South East of SA  and although a non believer his father I believe was a Minister. 

When I saw your SA connection I hoped one might have married into my Wilkins Family....LOL only joking. We grew up with a spot of name dropping there ourselves. Sir Hubert Wilkins was said to be Grandma's Cousin but family history has led me to the conclusion it is all a pack of lies. Very strange as my Granny was very staunch and I can't imagine her making it up - guess she believed it was so. She was only 14 when her father died. Dad always was fixated on Sir Hubert and told stories of his adventures, he died without discovering the truth and it is hard to convince the living Aunts, Uncles and Cousins that it just is not so. I remember even doing a project on "my granny's cousin" in school.......When SA proved he was not Granny's First Cuz I envisioned he was her second and I had to leave Australia to get to it but nope it is just not true......Sir Hubert's Family were not even from Wiltshire. 

Anyway enough of my Wilkins and back to your family....I presume Richard Renfrey must have died before they sailed as Jane appears widowed living with the Hawke's in 1851 census in Staff and seems to have travelled alone, listing as aged 65 and single and a note that she was Jane HAWKE'S sister. 

http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1851Reliance.htm

The son Richard said to have died in Kapunda soon after the families arrival does not appear in the SA records. This is very early SA history so perhaps it was not registered. I went through Kapunda on my way home Tuesday would you believe. If I go to the Barossa on my way home from the big smoke I cut through that way. It is quite a lovely area with a big history in Cornish Mining as is my home. Doesn't look like your lot ventured up this way.

Kris 

[krisesjoint]

OK we are off again. Be sure to recheck above Dave . I have found the odd thing in my travels IE I just found a marriage for Richard eldest son of James and went back looking and found his birth etc....also birth and death of son to Mary Louisa

HAWKE Richard 24 Single father James Renfrey HAWKE = BETTERMANN Matilda 22 Single Father Henry BETTERMANN 13 Oct 1885 BC Manse Kapunda Dist Kap 145 169
BETTERMAN Elvina Matilda 29 Jul 1863 Logans Gap Dist Bur 29 75 Parents Henry BETERMAN and Jane BIGGIN

Children of Richard HAWKE and Matilda Elvina BETTERMAN

Gordon Cedric 21 Jun 1889 Kapunda Dist Kap 441 31 Gordon Cedric HAWKE 30 single father Richard = TRUSCOTT Allice Smythe 28 Single father Henry James TRUSCOTT 9 Jan 1920 Methodist Church Kent Town Tc Kent Town Dist Nor 282 67

Ruby Pearl 10 Dec 1895 Kapunda Dist Kap 575 382 HOLLAND Joseph Leonard 21 Single father Thomas HOLLAND = HAWKE Ruby Pearl 23 Single Father Richard HAWKE 26 Apr 1919 Holy Trinity Church Adelaide Dist Ade 279 301

One Birth to Joseph Leonard HOLLAND and Ruby Pearl HAWKE
Stella Runie 8 Feb 1920 New Hindmarsh Dist Hin 49A 595

HAWKE James 23 Single father James Renfrey HAWKE = PASCOE Elizabeth Ann Blinman 22 Single father John PASCOE 8 Jun 1885 Res Brides Parents Morgan Dist Kap 143 1451

Children of James HAWKE and Elizabeth PASCOE

Beatrice May HAWKER 13 sep 1885 Kapunda Dist Kap 360 316

Mildred Eveline 10 Jun 1888 Kapunda Dist Kap 420 24 WILLIAMS David Harold 37 Single father John WILLIAMS = HAWKE Mildred Evelyn 38 Single father James Renfrey HAWKE 14 Mar 1928 Baptist Church Kapunda Dist Kap 314 815

James Roy 20 Apr 1891 Kapunda Dist Kap 480 119 James Roy HAWKE 23 Single father James Renfrey HAWKE = MELVILLE Maggie Ellen 23 Single father Alexander Murray MELVILLE Baptist Church Adelaide Dist Ade 2 Dec 1914 261 590

Births to James Roy HAWKE and Maggie Ellen MELVILLE
Dorothy Ellen 11 sep 1915 Petersburg Dist Fro 965 483
Alexander Renfrey 23 Jan 1919 Henley Beach Dist PtA 31A 62

Francis John 23 Jan 1894 Kapunda Dist Kap 536 390 Francis John HAWKE 28 Single father James Renfrey HAWKE = CLANCY Clarice Theresa 32 Single father Maurice CLANCY 30 Mar 1921 St Johns Church Terowie Dist Bur 286 1068

Arthur Clarence 5 Mar 1898 Kapunda Dist Kap 618 399 Clement Arthur HAWKE 23 Single father James Renfrey HAWKE = LEE Edith Emily 22 Single Father William LEE 2 Jun 1920 Methodist Church Thebarton Dist Hin 283 946
LEE Edith Emily 1 Oct 1897 Green Plains Dist Dal 614 110 Parents William LEE and Matilda BROSTER

Only one Birth listed to Clement Arthur HAWKE and Edith Emily LEE up to cutoff point 1928
John Niel 1 Mar 1921 Torrensville Dist Hin 71A 461

Albert George Redvers 3 Dec 1900 Kapunda Dist Kap 669 11 Albert Redvers George HAWKE 22 Single father James Renfrey HAWKE = CRAFTER Mabel Evelyn 29 Single father Charles Henry CRAFTER 25 Sep 1823 Holder Memorial Methodist  Church West Adelaide Dist Hin 296 882

one Birth to Albert Redvers George HAWKE and Mabel Evelyn CRAFTER to 1928
Lorrice June 29 Jun 1924 Peterborough Dist Fro 136A 574

Richard Cyril 14 Sep 1905 Kapunda Dist Kap 753 447 Cyril Richard HAWKE 29 Single father James Renfrey HAWKE = NICKELS Alice Muriel 43 Single Father Hubert NICKELS 15 Sep 1934 Baptist Church Adelaide Dist Ade 350 2851

HAWKE William 23 Single father James HAWKE = DEW Ruth 19 Single father George DEW 9 Jul 1890 Baptist Manse Kapunda Dist Kap 164 843
DEW Ruth 14 Jun 1871 Cockatoo Valley Dist Bar 97 297 Parents George DEW and Jane HILLMAN

Children of William HAWKE and Ruth DEW

William Percival 6 Apr 1892 Kapunda Dist Kap 498 454

Ethel Pearl 26 Aug 1893 Kapunda Dist Kap 528 378 Ethel Pearl HAWKE 19 Single father William = SOWTER David Frank 24 Single father Wiliam SOWTER 26 Apr 1913 Res L B Fletcher Alberton Dist PtA 255 363

Births to Frank SOWTER and Ethel Pearl HAWKE to 1928
Reginald Frank 27 Apr 1915 Birkenhead Dist PtA 958 173
Avis Margaret 26 Feb 1918 Two Mile Blocks Dist Cla 14A 249
 
Hilda Ruth 2 Mar 1896 Kapunda Dist Kap 580 77

Clarice Amy 6 Jun 1898 Kapunda Dist Kap 623 394 Clarice Amy HAWKE 24 Single father William = SMYTH Frederick John 26 Single father John James SMYTH 18 Jul 1924 res Mr Hawke Rosewater Dist PtA 300 155
SMYTH Frederick John 17 Dec 1899 Exeter Dist PtA 652 52 Parents John James SMYTH and Elizabeth NELSON

One Birth Listed to Frederick John SMYTH and Clarice Amy HAWKE to 1928
Frederick Lawrence 17 Jul 1924 Rosewater Dist PtA 139A 54

HAWKE John 33 Single Father James HAWKE = FOWLER Amy 25 Single father James FOWLER 13 Jun 1906 Res E J Drummond Angaston Dist Bar 227 1328

CURTIS Aaron Samuel 22 Single father Henry CURTIS = HAWKE Elizabeth Jane 21 Single father James Renfrey HAWKE 8 Jul 1885 Res THomas William CATO Kapunda Dist Kap 144 76

Children of Aaron Samuel CURTIS and Elizabeth Jane HAWKE

Fanny Louisa 19 Apr 1886 Kapunda Dist Kap 373 191
William Charles 14 May 1888 Kapunda Dist Kap 418 154
Edwin Arthur 27 Mar 1890 Kapunda Dist Kap 455 477 Edwin Arthur CURTIS 21 Single father Aaron Samuel Curtis = WILLIAMS Mildred Jane 18 Single father John WILLIAMS 27 Mar 1911 Res Mrs M A Williams Kapunda Dist Kap 246 861

Cheers Kris 

[davierj]

Hi Kris
Thank you VERY much for the wealth of information on the Hawkes of Kapunda  .   There are so many I think I'll have to rename my tree 

One small query about Arthur Clarence Hawke, son of James Hawke and Elizabeth Pascoe, born 5 Mar 1898 as per birth record.   You give his name as Clement Arthur Hawke in his marriage to Edith Emily Lee in 1920.   Is this intentional, did he change his name or was that the name he was known by?   I have previously known him as Arthur Clarence.

I was pleased to see mention of Ruth Dew marrying William Hawke.   I'd done some research on the Dews of Dilton Marsh and Westbury for other people a while ago and was aware of the connection to the Hawkes.   George Dew and his wife Jane Hillman arrived Adelaide on the Marion 19 Jan 1857.   There is an excellent site dealing with the Dews and Hillmans - google Dew Hillman family.

Once again thank you very much for filling in some glaring gaps in the history of my Aussie cousins.   Have a wonderful Christmas, I'm sure our paths will cross again.
Dave