JARVIS family - Acton

[kamakaziken]

Hi Friends.

Can anyone help me with imformation relating to the Adeline, and Georgina Jarvis?
I have them on the 1901 census living at Adon(?) Green Gt. Walderfield
along with Adeline's parents James and Ursula and her daughter Mary Smith.

Georgina (b.1878) is Adeline's illigitimate daughter (baptised - Georgina L Finch Jarvis - possible connections to a local FINCH family ?) and Mary Smith appears to be the sister of my grandmother Violet who is not mentioned on the 1901 census although born 1900, it would appear that Adeline's husband (Frederick SMITH a local Agricultural Labourer and shown on Violet' s birth certificate as a Private in the Cheshire Regiment (Feb1900) has died soon after Violet's birth, possibly around  late 1900's  but certainly before the census.

Does anyone have any gravestone markings or perhaps marriage information on these people that could give me another lead to tracing possible living relatives?

I have "hit the wall" with this particular branch of the tree and am in need of some new inspiration.

Appreciate any suggestions or information.

Ken 

[Suffolk Mawther]

hi Ken,

Here in Little Waldingfield it's a sunny day 

Unfortunately Acton All Saints and Great Waldingfield St Lawrence PRs are a bit awkward to access due to an incumbent in the past not allowing them to be filmed.

Best bet would be to see what Ray has transcribed at www.cosford-database.co.uk - both parishes on the web site.

Adon Green Great Waldingfield?

There is Upsher Green, Washmere Green in Gt W ?

Best regards,
Ode mawther

Now driving the two miles to Great Waldingfield to collect Dad and take him to his GP appointment 

[kamakaziken]

Hi Ode,

thanks for the interest. I have researched Ray's database and it has been a great insight, but doesnt help in trying to find dates of death etc after 1901.

Handwriting on the original 1901 census is a bit poor but looks like Adon Green or similar.

Hope dad was ok at the doc's

Cheers.

Ken

[Suffolk Mawther]

Thanks Ken, Dad needed his shot of B12!  could do with something like that myself 

I do know one of the Churchwardens at GtW and could find out if they have a map of the churchyard. 

I managed to persuade same in our village to let me borrow the map and I made a copy on the back of a roll of wallpaper.

It will take me a few days (busy week) but I will see if I can find anything either by checking written or taking the dog for a different sort of walk one afternoon (around the churchyard at GtW).

Catch up with you soon.

Ode Mawther in Suffolk 

[kamakaziken]

Thanks appreciate any help. Hear from you soon. Ken

[Suffolk Mawther]

Hi Ken

I have been looking at the census image today to give me some clues.
It's the first time I have seen Great Waldingfield and Acton together on one image.  However, it is definitely Acton as I checked the enumerators route. 

The Jarvis' were living at Acton Green - amongst their neighbours were the Poole family.  The Poole House is in The (High) Street in Acton, so I wonder if part of The Street is known as Acton Green.  Across the road today is a local authority housing estate, which I have always assumed to have been built in the years following WWII (1950s).

I did check on old-maps.co.uk to see if Acton Green was marked (it wasn't).

Also of course, much of the land between Acton, Chilton and Great Waldingfield was 'borrowed' to become an airfield in WWII, although much of that will soon be built on, although part of it is designated to become a Community woodland.

The next place on the route that the enumerator walked is Oven's Green.

In fact the family are living next door to each other,

61.  Adeline Jarvis Head age 41 horsehair brush weaver working at home born Acton

Mary Smith daughter aged 2 born Acton

Georgina Jarvis daughter age 23 years working from home as a horsehair brush weaver born Acton


62. James Jarvis Head age 76 Harrier working on own account born Acton
Ursula Jarvis wife age 71 born (Long) Melford

There was a lot of horsehair weaving in the local area.

I have to drive to Long Melford on Thursday afternoon, I will check Acton Street on the way home to see where Acton Green might have been.

Soooooo, I now wonder if they are buried at All Saints Church in Acton?

Back soon,
Suffolk Mawther

[Suffolk Mawther]

Me again 

I made a mistake in previous message, Adeline is not Head but listed as wife.

Also, I was not happy with the occupation of James so called husband from his study to check - he thinks could be Farrier or Farmer.

However, I checked the 1891 to see what he was doing then and he is listed then as Agricultural Labourer (1891 enumerator had lovely handwriting - a pleaure to read it).

The family at that time were living at Lavenham Road, Acton.

I checked back on the 1901 as they were no 61 and 62 on the enumerators route, and we went back to the beginning of Acton Green - can only think it is the main street through as the Post Office is shown and two shops.  But I will double check this on Thursday.

Husband waiting to send email.

Night Night
Mawther

[kamakaziken]

Hi,

this is fantastic, I have had another look at the 1901 and your right (glad someone can read the handwriting) it is obviously "Acton Green" and not "Adon" and I first thought.

As you say, Adeline's parents James and Ursula (Making) are living next door. James was a Farm Laborer 10 years earlier.

Its a bit strange with the goings on with this little group, without boring you I will try and explain what I think has happened.

Adeline has given birth to Georgina (1878) "out of wedlock" (and they say our generation are bad people!!) given the attitude of people then I am a bit surprised that James and Ursula have stuck by Adeline but thats parents for you. Anyway, Georgina is actually named Georgina Louisa Finch Jarvis, and I wonder if there is not a clue there somewhere with the inclusion of the "Finch" in her name as to perhaps the unnamed father?

She goes on to marry Frederick Smith (1864 Acton) in 1895 now it starts getting complicated. It would appear that twins were born in 1898. (Mary and Violet) There are death certificates showing they are baptized and buried on the 9th May and they were about 14 days old. (so backtracking I reckon the date of birth is around 24th April ... remember this date and you will see why)

I lived with my grandmother (who was Fred and Adeline's daughter - Violet Mary)  for many years after my mothers death, we always celebrated her birthday on the 24th April (its that date again) but when I started to research the family about 2 years ago, I actually discovered that she is born on 24th FEBRUARY 1900.
I recall her telling me that she was like the "queen" she had 2 birthdays every year, but never questioned what she meant by the statement, its obvious now, but appears that she celebrated her birthday on the birth date of the dead twins 24th APRIL.

Fred is shown on Nan's birth certificate as being a Private in the Cheshire Regiment (which I think is a bit odd as well considering he was born and lived in Acton all his life - where does the Cheshire connection come in?)
But he is not shown on the 1901 census. Neither is Violet.

I wonder if he has died (and buried in Acton/Lavenham?) between Violet being born in Feb 1900 and the census being taken in March 1901?
There is a "Mary" listed on the census return, but she is aged 2 which would indicate she was born in 1899 and not 1900.

I know my grandmother did have a sister, but have no idea if she was older of younger.

Wont bore you any more with this, but will thank you for all your effort on my behalf and look forward to more exciting news.

Ken

[Suffolk Mawther]

Happy to help Ken, as you now know I live right 'on the doorstep' as they say 

Cheshire Regiment?  I think it depended on what representative of which regiment called in at the local village hall and tried to get the lads to sign up. 

My husbands grandad - Framlingham born and bred - signed up for the Befordshire Regiment 

And I am helping a friend in Sudbury who is researching all the names on the War Memorial in Sudbury, she is stuck with a Sudbury lad who died in WWI and was with The Australian Infantry - work that one out - cos we can't 

Back soon,
Mawther