marylebone marriage 1790-1800

[frederickay]

 I have been given a reference number for marriages in marylebone1792 -1796 (source call#0564398 ).
i am not sure what this means but i am looking for a marriage between Charles de Yrujo and an unknown Sarah . i have the baptism of their daughter at the same church as, Laviniade irujo 12th DEC. 1794 .
i dont know that they are married but the  mother ,Sarah did go on to be known as Sarah de irujo until her death in 1841. she is not the Sally mckean that the marquis married in America,
is there someone out there that either has access to this film or can tell me what it means . you know what it is like with these scraps of paper that turn up and they have been in the bottom of the drawer pre-computer . thanks
frederickay

[dawnsh]

Hi frederickay

Do you still need this look-up?

Dawn

[frederickay]

hi yes please . highly unlikely they married  as he was a catholic and doesn't appear to have divorced ?
he married in  Sally Mckean  in  America about 1798sh .
the story as recorded in the "times " is he dressed (the Marquis ) as a footman so as to pay Sarah Knight less, and she went to the Spanish embassy in London and caused such a fuss that he came with the ambassador to see the furore to be accosted by her .
I have seen where their illegitimate daughter Lavinia was born 1794 in the embassy . also i have seen her baptism notice as "Lavinia De irujo " daughter of Sarah and Charles de irujo .
It is a very interesting history . In particular i have never found the baptisms of Lavinia's daughters Lavinia  Fredericka and Frances Augusta . I have narrowed their births to 1815-1818 I think in Chelsea . i don't know if they are twins . I do know they are also illergitemate .
This is a well to do family so I haven't found any barstardy bonds .
The family lived in Chelsea and brompton for many years . the girls were possibly born in 16 College street which i think is Chelsea but may be Marylebone .any chance you could look them up for me . i have tried for years .
thanks .frederickay

[Barry12]

Hi, I saw an old Rootschat message of yours, regarding 16 College street, 6 Blizard's Place (both in Chelsea) and Lavinia de Irujo /Yrjo and the surname Jones.
Funnily enough both those addresses mean something to me. The family of Francis Thomas Sleap lived at 7 Blizard's Place, Chelsea (from abt 1825 or earlier through to abt 1842), and then he is recorded as being a Beer retailer at 14 or 16 College street in 1839 (conflicting street numbers in two different sources).
So, in the 1841 census, next door to wife Ann Sleap and 2 of their daughters at 7 Blizard's Place, (I guess at No 6) I see Lavinia Jones aged 45 and Sarah 'Yrujio' (her surname transcribed as 'Genger' in Ancestry) aged 75. Come back to me if you can't find that.
I have the location of those two addresses pinpointed, if you haven't yet found them.
regards, Barry

[frederickay]

Hi , How unusual. That these families are at almost same addresses tho in reverse at times. The reference I have to Lavinia owning 16 College street with captain Charles Jones is in the Sunfire Insurance papers . That in itself is unusual as I have letters from 1821 that never rat at any time discuss 16 College Street . it is always 6 Blizard Street in the letters. I went to 123 Fulham street in 2013 but the buildings we are speaking of were demolished and rebuilt around 1870.  My women change their name sat will on the census taking their paramours names at will. I haven't found either woman with another Man in the house I haven come across your family name before tho a Rev. Sleech doe feature . Thank you FRED,

[Barry12]

I've found same amazing mistranscriptions of the name Sleap, so I checked Sleech just in case, but no match.

I hadn't looked before, so I took a look at Blizard's Place in the 1851 census. My Sleap's had moved on by then, but your Lavinia Jones was still there (Chelsea North West enumeration district 18).

Regarding 16 College street, in the 1839 Robson's London and Birmingham - Part 1 the occupiers of "College street Chelsea Common" are listed, at No 16 with the following: Dennis Edw grocer; Sleap F.T. "The Acorn" br hse; Brown Geo, plumber; Davis Jas, shoemaker; Davis Job, toydealer.

In the same 1839 Robson's London and Birmingham - Part 1 directory, in the section with names listed alphabetically F.T. Sleap's address is given as Sleap F.T., Beer retailer, 14 College street, Chelsea.
(I haven't found anything regarding an establishment named "The Acorn" - whether that was at 14 or 16 College street, or elsewhere.)

In the 1841 census College street isn't numbered, but I found the page where James Davis the shoemaker & Job Davis the toydealer are still there, but no sign of Jones, nor Sleap, nor any "The Acorn" in the vicinity. 

In the 1851 census that same Job Davis was still in College street, but at no. 17 (Chelsea North West enumeration district 17), but I couldn't see any of the others.

I had a quick loom to see if I could find the marriage or baptisms, for which you are searching - but couldn't find them. Would they have been catholic?

rgds, Barry

[Barry12]

Frederica Lavinia Jutsum's est.d.o.b.is given as 1817 throughout the censuses, and also on her BMD death, however she married in 1834 with no mention that she could have been a minor. Perhaps she was born earlier than 1817? (censuses being prone to round down ages). Her place of birth given as Chelsea in all censuses, bar 1871 which says Fulham. Otherwise the sisters remain elusive.
rgds, Barry

[dawnsh]

Hi Barry

Just so you don't duplicate too much effort, Fred has been researching Lavinia on here and elsewhere since 2005.

Dawn

[frederickay]

Hi Barry < I have sent you a PM.
Thank you for your reply and I find it very interesting our relative s have lived beside each other or each others houses for many years. I have been searching on here and other places since 2005 and am eternally grateful for any help.
 I do geneology every day and STILL I have my brickwalls.

 So it may make it easier for people who may have been watching my search if  I will note what I HAVE NOT found. 
1, Fredericka Lavinia Jutsum nee De Irujo born about late 1816 early 1817 if not a twin born Dec 1817 . I am still looking for her birth date or baptism.

2.The connection with WILLIAM COOK JUTSUM 1800 of LONDON with any JUTSUM from SOMERSET,DEVON ,OR KENT.

3 How or why FRANCES AUGUSTA CLIFTON nee De Irujo arrived in Hong Kong around 1850.

 4 When and where Frances Augusta Clifton nee De Irujo ( born 1817) died.

5.Captain Charles Augustus  JONES born 7th dec, 1782. I still don t have definitive proof of his birthplace or any information on his  parents.
Disregard Ancestry.
 I have written proof he was born in London, an insurance paper from Britannica Insurance .. which conflicts with anecdotal history .
Ancestry  does have his parents named but when tree holder is asked what proof they have there is none.
6. How did Captain Charles Jones go thru the ranks to become A.D.C to the Duke of Cumberland if he had no money ., and lastly .
 
7. Where is the MARQUIS DON CARLOS MARTINEZ DE iRUJO Y TACON .died 1824 in MADRID buried.
 Thanks again . I am happy to be pointed in any direction to find these answers and have travelled to Hong Kong , Shanghai and Spain to find them ove r a period of 10 years ,so I have the passion and determination .