Thanks to everyone for their kind advice, i have sent a copy of the cert to someone who said they would look the records up for me, that was in march, he hasn't replied and i feel cheeky emailing him again, do you think i should of offered a payment?I think maybe i am just too impatient, billiejo i will write to the address you have mentioned as i am 100% sure mary Tougher was a local girl as i have searched all the english records and can find no trace of her only william before marriage and then the both of them afterwards,do you think that bieng illegitimate (williams parents married after having 4 children)could have some baring on the way the marriage was registered? maybe marys parents wanted nothing to do with her, and refused to have their names on the cert, just a thought, i will keep you informed on any out come...thanx again..mojo