John & Ellen Ryder - Any information

[m4uke]

Hi everyone

Looking for any information on John Ryder and Ellen Ryder (nee Forth).  John was born around 1832 in Shropshire and Ellen in Portsea c1847.

They were married and lived in Portsea which i have found on the 1881 and 1891 census but I can not find the parental lineage. 

Any information would be greatfully received.

Marcus

[heywood]

There is an Ellen Ford aged 3 yrs in 1851 census- is it definitely Forth?

[Nicky]

Hi
Found them in the 1871 census as Rider

John Rider, head, age 37, cab driver born Shropshire Worthen?
Ellen, wife, age 23 born Hants Portsea
Annie S, dau, age 2 born Hants Portsea
Emily C Fowler, neice, age 6 born Hants Portsea

RG10 1141
folio 79 page 15
Portsea, hants


Nicky

[heywood]

free BMD says Ellen Foot!

[heywood]

Ignore that- it 1873! sorry.

[heywood]

1861: Worthen
John Rider 31 yrs b Worthen - servant Workhouse Inn, Public House, Little Worthen
searched 1851 - none listed as born Worthen matching Ryder/Rider

[heywood]

1851 has a John Ryder b about 1835 Welshpool - servant at Ford, Shropshire.  There are servants there who were born Worthen so it's not too distant. There doesn't seem to be a match for this in 1861 - which may indicate he is yours.
I suppose the best thing to do now it is perhaps do a new post for 1841- Worthen maybe?

[cheryle.f]

 Someone like to double check me if they have time Marcus but you may not be able to pick up the parental linage because of this info......

            When tracking back to the 1861 i could only find this John with near enough birth date.


                Shropshire District 6 RG9 4255  

                 Worthen Township

                 Workhouse Inn ,Public House

                 Thomas Phillips    Head  M 40  Inkeeper
                  Mary Phillips 34 Westmeath  Shropshire
                  Ann Tatt  15 Housemaid   b  Worthen  salop
                  John Rider  31   Servant  Unm b Worthen  
                  John Griffiths  61 Lodger Cattle Dealer  b UnK  

                  Cannot find this John Rider in 1851 but.......

                 1851    Shropshire FORD DIstrict 2 HO107/1991

                 William Wall Head 39 Farmer of 90 acres b Pontabury
                 Mary Ann Head  31 Farmers wife              b Worthen
                 Richard Head son 14                                 b Ford
                 Elizabeth Head dau 7                                b Ford
                 William Head  son  5                                  b Ford
                 Margaret Ellen dau 2 months                     b Ford
                 Eliza Sheen 13  servant                              b Worthen
                 Emma Grice     20  servant                          b   ''
                 John Ryder 16  servant                               b  Whelshpool  Montgomeryshire Wales

                  but cannot find this John  ::)on the 1861. The nearest birth date to this John was 1842 or 1825.   So like later years maybe he was either or? And maybe he parental lineage was in Wales.

                     Hope you found this some use . best wishes cheryle.f                          

[cheryle.f]

 SORRY HEYWOOD .....I just pressed the button as saw two new post....but hey presto we matched info so i dont feel so doubtful about my input now

  best wishes to all   Cheryle.f