Twins - time on birth certificate

[dee-jay]

Ancestry.com
Hope St Court 13 House 10, Birmingham, Warwickshire
Head of Household John J. LAWRANCE [yet another variant!] born 1842 Yorkshire 

[Valda]

On the principle that names on baptism can sometimes change from the registered name, there is a birth registered in Warwick registration district in the right quarter for the baptism.

From FreeBMD
Births Sep 1906
Marks  Muriel Alice     Warwick  6d 696

However there are three other Marks births registered in Warwick 1901-1908 so I wouldn't say I find it compelling evidence.

The 1901 census does show Mercy's sister Rose (as in Mercy born Walsall) as a servant in Leamington

RG13 2932 folio 166
30 Leam Terrace Leamington Priors  Warwickshire
Rose Marks 17  Walsall, Staffordshire,  General Servant  Domestic

as well as two other sisters

RG13 2932 folio 142
Bowling Green Inn 18 & 20 New Street Leamington Priors  Warwickshire   
Charles Duffin 38 Old Stratford, Warwickshire,  Head  Married Beer retailer
Catherine Duffin 34  Princees End, Staffordshire, Wife Married
Hilda Duffin 7  Leamington, Warwickshire, Daughter 
Kathleen Duffin 2  Leamington, Warwickshire, Daughter 
Frederick Duffin 4mths  Leamington, Warwickshire, Son 
Hannah Markes 20 Walsall, Staffordshire, Sister-in-law  Barmaid

Marriages Dec 1892
Duffin  Charles    Walsall  6b 1145   
Markes  Catherine     Walsall  6b 1145

I think Mercy's mother's maiden may have been Morgan

1871 census RG10 3006 folio 148
30 Albert Street Sedgley  Staffordshire   
William Morgan 50 Willington, Shropshire, Head Married labourer
Sarah Morgan 52  Tipton, Staffordshire,  Wife  Married
Thomas Morgan 21  Tipton, Staffordshire,  Son Labourer
Harriet Morgan 17  Sedgley, Staffordshire,  Daughter   
Joseph Marks 8  Sedgley, Staffordshire,  Grandson 

Joseph was not with his parents and siblings on the 1871 census.

I suppose it could be possible that Day is Arthur's surname and Lawrence his middle name if he wished to disguise his name in anyway. However having searched that doesn't seem to throw up any further Arthur possibilities.

Regards

Valda

[TracyL]

Hi again Valda

I had the same thoughts in terms of the Morgan name, but now my brain is exploding   There is a marriage between William Marks and Mary Ann Morgan in Cardiff in 1857 Mar Qtr 11a 255.  There is also a marriage for a William Marks to Mary Ann Sandland in Dudley in 1864 (6c 194). 

Then in 1851 Mary Ann Sandland is with her family and there is a visitor called 'Lewezer Morgan' aged 20.

In addition there is a marriage between a Walter William J Marks in 1891 in Warwick (6d 970) and Mary Elizabeth P Tracey (nee Morgan), which could be the son of William and Mary???

As I said, my brain hurts
Tracy

[TracyL]

p.s.  I think the birth record you have found may be compelling enough to spend £7 to find out for sure - would fit the'not married but pretending to be' scenario - although she did use the Lawrence name on Arthur's registration.
Tracy

[Valda]

If the relationship had broken down by the time of Muriel's birth that might account for a birth registered in her own surname and the need to give both children up for adoption. Florence could have been added as a name for Florence Judd. It is very unusual for a birth not to be registered this late but I do know of other examples. At this point Muriel as a name is probably quite popular so it could just as easily be a birth of another Marks baby in the Warwickshire registration district. All in all it is a risk.

Regards

Valda

[dee-jay]

Tracy
Was there any indication of the occupation and/or address of Thomas Judd in the baptismal register?

[Valda]

I imagine the Judds are this couple

RG13 2932 folio 60
57 King Street Leamington  Warwickshire   
Thomas Judd 25  Leamington, Warwickshire, Head Married Boot & Shoemaker
Florence E Judd 25  Leamington, Warwickshire, Wife Married

Marriages Sep 1899
Judd  Thomas     Warwick  6d 1202   
Gallemore  Florence Elizabeth     Warwick  6d 1202   
Gallimore  Florence Elizabeth     Warwick  6d 1202   

Regards

Valda

[dee-jay]

Florence GULLEMORE aged 5 in 1881 with parents at 49 King Street, Leamington Priors, so no apparent family connection to LAWRENCE or MARKS families.

[TracyL]

Hi

I did find the Thomas/Florence marriage whilst in Warwick. (Married 15th August 1899) He was a shoe maker as was his father William.  Florence's father was also William and also a boot maker.  Witnesses were Rose Ethel Gallemore (Florence's younger sister)and Nellie Gardener.  Have found both families on the census.  A couple of little co-incidences - in 1881 Florence's oldest sister Ada worked as a cook to the curate of St. Paul's (where the baptism took place) and Florence herself worked as a servant in in 1891 where the servant girl next door was a Hannah Pargiter.  Pargiter was the name of the vicar of St Paul's.  The Muriel baptism was the only one I could see during that time that was not carried out by the vicar, but by Wm McCleary, Officiating Minister.  Have no idea what all that means but just keep looking for clues (or clutching at straws)

Valda - Can't believe I had never considered that she may have given up both children at the same time.  I simply assumed that she gave up my grandfather then a second child 18 months later.  Your idea makes a huge amount of sense - even if we disregard the birth record under her own name for the moment - the idea that something happened around October 1906 to cause her to give them both up to separate families does sound plausible.

Regards
Tracy