Pub Licensee Records?

[DavidJP]

Does anyone know how I could find out how long someone was a pub licensee for, other than in trade directories? My great great grandfather's brother Joseph Parker was licensee of the Queen's Head in Newhall in the 1860's and is shown as such on the 1861 census. Are there any other records that I could consult? He was by the way, from a family of miners!

  Any help would be gratefully recieved and many thanks in advance.

  Regards

  David

P.S: I hope this post reads ok, as this is my first post in any chatroom!

[behindthefrogs]

Licences were granted by the local Justices of the Peace.  Precisely which session depends on whether he was licensed to sell just beer or beer and spririts and whether the Inn offered accomodation.  You will either find details in the quarter sessions records or records of special brewster sessions.  These will be held in the local record office if they still exist.

Look at the quarter sessions first as an Inn will probably be there.

[DavidJP]

Thanks very much for the help, I'll check those out when I get a chance! Apologies for the delay in responding but I am having serious computer/Internet connection problems.

Thanks again and regards

David

[welchie]

Dear David,
I might also be related but through Hannah's side of the Family, or if you have Josephs parent and Other family details. If you could tell me what Hannah maiden name is, it would be great. Is it Brealey by any chance as My GGG Grandfather is Harry Samuel Brealey.
Census pge. RG10/2902 pge 34 has John Brealy as a border aged 10 in Joseph and Hannah's pub, The Queens Head.
I am a decendant of Alexander Parker 1857 of Newhall, plus Brealey's, & Streets of Newhall & Gresley.If you could confirm your Joseph it would be great either way.

Regards
Karen

[welchie]

Hi David,
The  link is that in 1881 Hannah Parker nee Brealey is living with her nephew at 145 Oversetts and is a widower. Her nephew is my GGGrandfather John (Johnothan) Brealey. In 1891 she is still with John & Nancy (Annie) Brealey nee Staley @ 182 Oversetts.
Im not sure how things go  but  Im sure that this is her.

Regards
Karen

[DavidJP]

Hi Karen,

 Please accept my apologies for the delay in responding to your posts. Unfortunately around the time of your posts, i was in the middle of sorting out before moving house, followed of course by the moving itself!!  I have been busy of late and also taking a little time to put new information gained prior to my house move, together with what i had!

The Joseph Parker whom i am interested in was born in 1822/23 and as far as i can tell married either Ann Smith or Sarah Ann Staley in late 1843. Joseph himself died in 1844 as a result of a mining accident (fell down a mine the day after his son's birth!)

Joseph's parents were Joseph Parker and Joanna Robinson, although Joanna was it appears always known as either Hannah/Anne or Ann as well, which makes thinks a bit tricky!!

The names Joseph and Ann Parker seem to have ben quite common, i found three in one street in newhall on one census and could only tell, which was mine by the one child who was still at home!!

It is possible that there may be a connection further back as the Parker christian names in our families are very similar.

Regards

David

[welchie]

Hi David,

Have you by chance read Keith Gillivers "Last Orders Gentleman Please"Full of intreseting fact about Pubs, landlords and license's.
Joseph Parker of the Queens head and Hannah Alcock as you know are related to me but so is George Leech. George Married Sarah Gilliver and rand the Stanhope Arms on Matt's Yard, Newhall.

Keith Gilliver has two books that he has produces "Just time for another quick pint" is the other.
My Grandfather Harold Arthur Wileman was born in the Talbot Inn 1904 Newhall so pubs are very much in my history on both side of my family.

Karen

[DavidJP]

Hi Karen,

Unfortunately i haven't read either of keith's book's, but they do sound interesting though!!

Having updated my Parker Tree recently i have got one family member in the pub trade, this being Joseph's brother James Parker who on the 1881 census is shown as publican of a beer house, but in Aston Cum Aughton & Ulley in Yorkshire rather than in Newhall!

Do you by any chance know what if any difference there is between a pub and a beerhouse?

Regards

David

[behindthefrogs]

A beer house was one licensed only to sell beer.  Under the beerhouse act of 1830 any householder who was assessed to pay the poor rate and considered of good character could obtain a licence for an anual payment of two guineas.  This resulted particularly in the 1850s in a lot of people of labouring class setting up beerhouses in their front rooms.   The purpose was to move people away from drinking spirits particularly gin.  The act was repealed in 1869 and the licensing put on the same basis of that for spirits (licensed victualers) and establishments with accommodation (inn keepers).

The public house emerged after 1869 although even up to the 1970s some establishments were only licensed to sell beers and ales.

David