Annetts 1901 help please

[philsearch]

Can anyone help solve a puzzle easier than me please. I am trying to find out about  the Annetts family from Poole around the turn of the century.There seems to be only one family in Poole in 1901 staying with an Edwin Emberly(head). Looking at Free bmd at births i see there is a Grace Emberly Annetts. Looking forward to 1911 my freinds mother Edith Mary Annetts was born(not Emberly Annetts). Her mothers maiden name is down as Annetts but none of the other brothers or sisters. See why its a bit confusing. Thanks very much, Phil

[Richard Knott]

Edwin Emberley seems to have led an eventful life!
Looking through the censuses (I can give you details if you can't get to them) his father was a mariner. His mother remarried a William Stickley after his father's death. In 1881 Edwin is living with his wife Emma, and children Maria Louisa (age 3) and Edwin (age 1), but ten years later he is living with his mother, stepfather, two children, but no wife. He is still described as married, but I guess she may have died.
In 1901 my guess he is living with, and having children by Annie Annetts, although they never married - hence the use of both surnames. (From the bmd births it looks as if Edith had a twin (Queenie) who died before the census).
I suppose it is possible that Emma (Edwin's first wife) never died (ran away or was put in a home) which would explain his being called 'married' in 1891 and the fact that he didn't marry Annie.
If I have time I will look through the indices which may tie up some loose ends.

[philsearch]

Thats great. Thanks very much for your help. Any loose ends would be much appreciated if youve time. Cheers, Phil

[Richard Knott]

I haven’t been able to establish what happened to Edwin Emberly’s first wife, but my feeling remains that she was put into a mental institution, and that he started to have children by his ‘cook’, Annie Annetts, but never married her.
That hypothesis fits the known facts and explains why Edith Mary Annetts’ mother’s maiden name was Annetts (she never married).

In case someone else wants to have a go, here is Edwin through the censuses:

1861   RG9/1341/33/15
Jane Emberly, 37, mariner’s wife
Esther E, 14, dau
Elizabeth M E., 12, dau
Josiah J E., 10, son, ropemaker
Edwin E., 6, son
Eliza E., 2, dau   all children b Poole

1871   RG10/1987/88/25
Jane Emberly, 46, seaman’s wife (husband at sea)  b Lymington, Hants
Josiah J E., 20, son, sailor out of employ
Edwin E., 16, son, carter for stone mason
William E., 14, son, errand boy out of employ
Eliza E., 12, dau, assists mother      all children b Poole

Marriage:   Sep 1877   Edwin Emberley m Emma Annie Friend

1881   RG11/2095/20/33
Edwin Emberly, 26, lamplighter, b Poole
Emma A E., 25, wife, b London
Maria L E., 3, dau b Poole
Edwin T E., 1, son, b Poole

1881   RG11/2095/19/32
Josiah Emberly, 58, mariner, b Poole
Jane E., 58, wife, b Lymington
William, 245, son, mariner, b Poole

1881   RG11/5001/125/8
Wiiliam Sticklee, married, 64, mate on ‘Volunteer’ in Sunderland

Death:      Dec 1886   Josiah John Emberley age 62     Poole

1891   RG12/1640/5/3
William Stickley, 71, mariner, b Lymington
Jane S., 66, wife, b Lymington
Edwin Emberley, 36, married, son, general labourer, b Poole
Edwin E., 11, son
Louisa E., 12, dau

1901   RG13/1982/10/11
Edwin Emberley, 45, married, gen. lab., b Poole
Edwin E., 21, son, gen. lab., b Poole
Annie Annetts, 28, boarder, single, domestic cook, b Vernim, Hants
Edith V Annetts, 4, dau, b Poole
Grace Annetts, 2, dau, b Poole
Arthur Annetts, 5m, son, b Poole

Births:      Jun 1897   Edith Victoria Annetts   Poole
      Jun 1897   Queenie Emberley Annetts   Poole
      Dec 1898   Grace Emberley Annetts   Poole
       Dec 1900   Arthur Edwin Annetts   Poole
      Sep 1911   Edith Mary Annetts      Poole (maiden name Annetts)

I have searched for an entry for Emma A Emberley in the 1891/1901 censuses with little success. If she was in a mental home she would only be listed under initials.

There is an entry in 1901:

London County Lunatic Asylum
E. E., patient, married, 49, needlework, b London, lunatic

There is no real evidence that this is her though (all the other candidates seemed to be single or widowed).

[philsearch]

If all that work was just a few loose ends then thank you very,very much, Phil

[allibaker]

queeny emberley annetts died in the june qtr of 1898.

[philsearch]

Thanks very much AlliBaker, the friend ive asked these questions on behalf of says the info will be a great family talking point. He and another work colleague know of some Emberleys in Poole.

[gazania]

This is a long shot.  But there was a family of ALDERMAN who changed their name to ANNETTS, some came to Australia.  If you are interested in this change please write to Bob Alderman, who has great data base and is listed on the Guild of One Names Studies website for ALDERMAN.  (One branch of the ALDERMAN family was from Hants and Vernham Dean rings a bell with me)  Gazania

[tnetts]

Hello,

We believe Annie Annetts was born Christiana Annetts around 1871.  She is the daughter of Edward Annetts and Sarah Rolfe.  All are from around the Great Bedwyn area in Wiltshire.  In 1906, she bore a son Edwin Annetts in Poole.  He is my grandfather.  His birth certificate names Annie Christina  Annetts as mother but no father is named.  We haven't been able to match any Annie or Christina Annetts to Annie as of yet so Christiana remains the best match.  My grandfather claimed not to have known who his father was and the whole business seemed to be kind of a "dirty secret."  In fact, his marriage certificate lists an Edward Annetts as his father.   From what he told us before he passed away, we know that the  Annetts children of the 1901 census were his siblings and my father remembers visiting his uncle Arthur Emberley and cousins as a child.  We feel strongly that Edwin Emberly Sr. is my grandfather's father but have no actual proof.

Anyway, my father, Norman Annetts, was born in Poole in 1935  son to Edwin and Amy (nee Wood) Annetts.  He emmigrated to Canada in the late 1950's and here we are.   Thanks for the Emberley information.  I can give you a list of all Edwin Annetts' siblings....just don't have it handy at the moment.