Author Topic: Cornish Mystery  (Read 129320 times)

Offline deb usa

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,394
    • View Profile
Re: Cornish Mystery
« Reply #90 on: Friday 25 August 06 03:52 BST (UK) »
hi Chris

I am still a novice at all of this so not to sure of what you mean by 'non-conformists'......

thanks for your interest . BTW are you in cornwall????

deb :)
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


All UK census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline Chris Penrose

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 112
  • Penrose etc family history research
    • View Profile
Re: Cornish Mystery
« Reply #91 on: Friday 25 August 06 06:37 BST (UK) »
Hi Deb, What a nice picture!

To answer your first question, I have lived in Leeds in Yorkshire since 1988, after being brought up in Hertfordshire after leaving Cornwall.

Over here: "Non-Conformist" relates to a member of a church or religion separate from the Church of England. This does not include the Roman Catholic Church, and churches or societies followed by immigrants.

The churches in Cornwall were/are: Baptist; Wesleyan; The Bible Christians Circuit; and Independant.

This is not a subject on which I am an expert, so expect more postings!

All the best

Chris

Penrose Pollard Stoddern Bowers Milnes Starkey Chappell

Offline Valda

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 16,160
    • View Profile
Re: Cornish Mystery
« Reply #92 on: Friday 25 August 06 09:32 BST (UK) »
Actually it does include Roman Catholics - any Christian church not conforming to Anglicanism (the U.S. affliated church I believe is called Episcopalians). You were right the first time Chris.

With the marriage act of 1754 until July 1837 only Anglican marriages were legal in this country (the only exceptions allowed were Quakers, foreign churches and Jews) so all non-conformists (apart from the exceptions) had to marry in an Anglican church if they wanted a legal marriage no matter whether they were Catholic or Baptist etc.

After 1837 marriages could take place in non-conformist churches but unlike the Anglican church marriage those marriages were only legal if the local registrar was present to 'legalise the marriage' the ceremony itself in a non-Anglican church was not recognised as legal only the established church (the Anglican church) ceremony and a marriage conducted before a registrar were legal.

I bet Cornwall also had non-conformists like the Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion as well as those you've listed.

Regards

Valda
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline Britgirl

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 192
    • View Profile
Re: Cornish Mystery
« Reply #93 on: Sunday 08 October 06 05:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Deb , I just found this thread today and couldn't believe my eyes!! I have been doing the very same research over the past year, into the Smith/Slack mystery!  :o

You see, I am the Great Granddaughter of Mary Palmer, younger daughter of Mary Slack/Smith and John Palmer! In other words, the sister of your Bessie.

It seems that their name changed from Slack to Smith between Mary's birth in 1858 and the 1861 census, as Mary, the youngest, was registered as Slack, but they were Smith's by the time of the census. As Mary's father George was already a Hawker when he registered her birth it I wonder if, in fact, the name change is related to his new occupation after all? Unfortunately, I don't have any other ideas as to why they did that! All I know is that I bought just about every Mary Smith's birth cert in Truro before I found the marriage of her parents! Who'd have thought to look for the birth cert of Mary Smith under the name Slack!

On another note, I don't know if you are aware that Bessie and Mary's younger "siblings" were actually cousins? John and Annie Palmer (b circa 1880 and 1883) were actually the children of Amelia Smith (c 1849) and were "adopted into the Palmer family" according to the entry in the Parish register at their baptism on 2 Dec 1884!
When you mentioned about John Palmer seeming to hate travellers, that went through my mind! Why would he have adopted a nephew and neice into his family? Hawking was the lowest of low, a despised profession from what I gather, but he loved Mary enough to have married into the family!
Like you, I don't know what happened to her after 1901 either!

Have you gone back on the Palmer side? Therein lies another Mystery (a Devon one), for another thread, I think!

But a BIG thank you to everyone who contributed to this thread, as you've really helped me to get past Amelia Carnarton's beginnings!  ;D
Grose - Cornwall
Rice - Devon
Harris - Herefordshire
Bristow - London
Sadler - Yorkshire
Nye - London
Allen - Cornwall
Palmer - Cornwall
Chynoweth - Cornwall
Cowling - Cornwall


Offline peterpjw

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 59
    • View Profile
Re: Cornish Mystery
« Reply #94 on: Sunday 08 October 06 05:47 BST (UK) »
Hi Britgirl

Welcome to the "Cornish Mystery" thread!  Was your ancestor Minnie PALMER b ca 1879 at Kenwyn?  Where was the Dec 1884 baptism of Annie and John performed?

Cheers

Peter

Offline deb usa

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,394
    • View Profile
Re: Cornish Mystery
« Reply #95 on: Sunday 08 October 06 16:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Bridget

WELCOME!! I am speechless.....

I am so glad you found us and me...  I would love to find out more on the "adoption" of the younger siblings !

I bet you had a great time reading this thread .... the info gathered has definitely been a labour of 'love' !! Everyone who worked on this have been wonderful.  ;D

I am going to look at what I have re: the PALMER side of the family ... I love a mystery LOL


can't wait to here from you again.

'cousin' Deb  ;)

PS: do you have photos ?

JAP, Valda,Peter,Woosh and Chris : Isn't this exciting ?  yippeeeeee
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


All UK census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline deb usa

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,394
    • View Profile
Re: Cornish Mystery
« Reply #96 on: Sunday 08 October 06 16:07 BST (UK) »
oops sorry called you bridget instead of BRITGIRL  :-X
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


All UK census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline Britgirl

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 192
    • View Profile
Re: Cornish Mystery
« Reply #97 on: Sunday 08 October 06 17:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Guys,

Firstly Peter, Yes, this is Minnie Palmer, as she was known. The baptisms of Annie & John Smith into the Palmer family were performed at St John's, Truro, the same place as Bessie and Mary's baptisms and of John Palmer's siblings, well, some of them.

Deb, I only have the one photo of Minnie Palmer, or Grose as she was by then, taken with my Mum in Falmouth. She rarely left her home in Truro except for this one visit when my Mum was a baby! Minnie died in 1966 and I do remember visiting her in her nursing home, somewhat vaguely as I was only 3 at the time!Do you have any photos?

I PM'd you Deb. Hopefully we can get to share info more fully offline?

Britgirl
Grose - Cornwall
Rice - Devon
Harris - Herefordshire
Bristow - London
Sadler - Yorkshire
Nye - London
Allen - Cornwall
Palmer - Cornwall
Chynoweth - Cornwall
Cowling - Cornwall

Offline Valda

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 16,160
    • View Profile
Re: Cornish Mystery
« Reply #98 on: Sunday 08 October 06 17:13 BST (UK) »
Deb

as this is now the equivalent of the Amelia Carnarton story and website, sooner or later anyone researching their family history is now bound to find you. You are the top (and almost only) hit when you Google for her, so hopefully you will continue to find further cousins.

Regards

Valda
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk