Cornish Mystery

[fiona1234]

thanks for that. i'll look into it!

[Britgirl]

In my database I have that William Ivey (1850) first married Eliza Solomon in 1870, and had a daughter Elizabeth Ellen the same year. Eliza died in 1872.

William then married Anne Hocking in 1875 and had 9 children as far as I know;
Catherine Annie (1879)
William Alfred (1881)
Mary Jane (1884)
Bessie Georgiana (1886)
Frances Rosina (1888)
Joseph Reginald (1890)
Hetty (1891)
Richard (1894)
James Adolphus (1899)

I don't know if there were any more born after 1901. They moved to London between the births of the eldest 2 children.

Hope that helps a bit.

[fiona1234]

so can someone tell me why on the birth records and census records the mother of those 9 children was put down as Hannah Rose who i believe to be Hannah Hocking?

[Britgirl]

Could be any number of reasons!!
I've had lots of Ann/Annie/Anna's who have become Hannahs, and many more who have adopted a middle name later in life too!

Interesting there is a daughter with Rosina as her middle name. Very similar.

Middle names became more common in the Victorian era.

[fiona1234]

HI BRIT GIRL
ON THE 1901 CENSUS THERE IS A HANNAH ROSE ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE BUT IN THE SAME HOUSE AND IS LISTED AS WIFE BUT ON THE PAGE WHERE JAMES IS THERE IS ANNIE IVEY WHO IS A WIFE ALSO BUT NO MAN LISTED. THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE SO JUST WONDERING IF HANNAH ROSE WAS RELATED TO ANNIE AND ANNIE TOOK OVER THE ROLE OF MOTHER TO THE KIDS FOR HANNAH. BECAUSE ON JAMES BIRTH RECORDS IT IS HANNAH ROSE . SO I AM A BIT CONFUSED ON THAT SCORE.

[Britgirl]

Actually Hannah Rose was living at number 254 while the Ivey's are living at 266, and they are of different schedule numbers which indicates different households.

I think William must have been at sea, as Annie is there as wife (not widow) and he reappears in the 1911.

Quite likely Mrs Rose's husband was also at sea.

But it is interesting that James Adolphus has Hannah Rose named as his mother on his birth cert! He is a few years younger than the next child too.

I don't know what to make of that!! 

What does it say Hannah Rose's maiden name was on his birth cert? Could you trace her in earlier censuses?

[fiona1234]

Hi , no i cannot find her in any other census's but on the 1901 census on ancestry.com, before you look at the actual form it says James mother , and all the other children were Hannah Rose's and she is listed as in the same household, so i am really stumped. I just presumed she was Hannah Hocking and rose was maybe her middle name.
aaagggh it's driving me mad. I wil have to order the actual birth certificate. and dig deeper somehow

[Britgirl]

In that little box of household members on Ancestry Hannah does come up first but if you click on her name it says she is from schedule 153.
The next name is Annie Ivey (William's wife) but the schedule is 154, ie a new household.

On the actual image Hannah is on her own, on the previous page, living next door (164 Lynton Rd) at the same address as a Mr & Mrs Norman and the Cowderoy family. She has one room, the Norman's have 3 rooms and the Cowderoy's occupy 4 rooms.

Annie and all her children are at the top of the next page and (schedule 154) living at 166 Lynton Rd.

I think you are reading too much into the fact she is in that little box of family members!
On the image it shows Annie's widowed mother, Catherine Hocking (written as mother in law) is living with them, but she doesn't appear in the little box!

I think Hannah Rose being in that box is just a mistake on Ancestry's part.
But certainly, the only way to be sure is to get James' birth certificate.

[fiona1234]

I will and I probably am, Thank you It's all very intruiging.