Cornish Mystery

[okey]

Part 2
If you register with

http://www.familyhistoryonline.net/

which is where family history societies are putting further records (the Federation of Family History Societies website). You can look for free at the index for Carnarton of Cornish records placed there by the Cornwall FHS - burials, baptisms and censuses - which is how I know a Charles Carnarton married in Cornwall in 1823 (not on the IGI). If you pay a nominal fee you can see the outline of the actual record (the sort of detail you get on the IGI).

If Margery Carnartons will move conveniently to Mary Carnartons life would be simpler. There is on the Cornwall marriage index a marriage of a Margery Carnarton in 1827.

Parish Kenwyn Thomas EMIDY Date 16 Aug 1827 Wife Margery CARNARTON

Now this is where it starts to get very very interesting. Emidy is surprise surprise an exceedingly rare surname.

1841 census HO107/147/14 Place: Powder-Cornwall Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Kenwyn Truro Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 60 Page: 7
Charles Street
EMIDY   Thomas   M   35   Musician    Cornwall         
EMIDY   Margery   F   40       Cornwall         
Page: 61/8   EMIDY   Cecelia   F   13       Cornwall         
EMIDY   Francis   M   10       Cornwall         
EMIDY   Eliza   F   7       Cornwall         
EMIDY   Joseph   M   6       Cornwall         
EMIDY   Richard   M   4       Cornwall         
EMIDY   James   M   2       Cornwall         
FRANKLING   Thomas   M   20   Shoemaker    Cornwall 

1851 census HO107 1910 folio 333
Charles Street Kenwyn  Cornwall   
Thomas Emidy 45 Falmouth, Cornwall,  Head  Married Musician
Margarey Emidy 50  Helstone, Cornwall, Wife Married
Eliza Emidy 18  Truro, Cornwall, Daughter Dressmaker
Joseph Emidy 16 Truro, Cornwall,  Son  Musician
Richard Emidy 13  Truro, Cornwall, Son Musician
James Emidy 12  Truro, Cornwall, Son 
Julia Emidy 5  Truro, Cornwall,  Granddaughter 

1861 census RG9 1559 folio 47
Charles Street Kenwyn  Cornwall   
Thomas Emidy 55  Falmouth, Cornwall, Head Married Musician
Margery Emidy 65  Helston, Cornwall,  Wife  Married

From the IGI
THOMAS HUTCHINS EMIDY 
Birth:  06 JUL 1805   
Christening:  08 DEC 1805   Falmouth, Cornwall
Father:  JOSEPH EMIDY
Mother:  JENIFER 

I think it is at this point you really want to prove the Carnarton connection some how. Go to

http://www.jonroseweb.com/f_projects_emidy.html

I think you are really going to find it very very interesting!!!!!!!

Regards

Valda

hi i think eliza emidy is my great- great- grandmother. if i can find out if eliza married a man with the surname paul she had a daughter mary. eliza was a dressmaker and her daughter mary was a tailoress trousers who married a man named garcia who was my great grandad they had a son robert who was my grandad it is all very confusing to me as i only found out this on thursday when i was at a family funeral if you could help i would be grateful

[deb usa]

Hi Rick and Okey

Hoe fab that we are all connected .

Rick I have not looked into the Dennis side of the family ... I would love to share with you. 

Okie...Welcome to Rootschat ...you will have a fabulous time here ....everyone is willing to share details and help with any research ....Please post all the details you have on your Eliza Emidy? How fantastic to be related to a famous Emidy !

deb 

[Valda]

There were four Eliza Emidys on the 1861 census.

Eliza aged 28 born Truro who was a servant in Falmouth (the Eliza of okey's post - the daughter of Thomas Hutchinson Emidy)
Eliza aged 43 born Truro who was staying with her sister in Everton Liverpool
Eliza aged 11 born Truro who was staying with her aunt in Everton Liverpool
same household for both these Elizas with Cecilia Emidy aged 45 as head of house, born Truro.
Eliza aged 34  born london who was the wife of James H Emidy aged 53 born Falmouth. They were in Norwich.

The two straightforward Eliza Emidy marriages on FreeBMD both in Liverpool

Marriages Jun 1866   
EMIDY  Eliza R     W.Derby  8b 658
either
BUZZA  Charles    W. Derby  8b 658   
or   
SPARROW  Henry     W. Derby  8b 658   

Marriages Mar 1880       
Emidy  Elizabeth Mary     W. Derby  8b 696
either   
Langshaw  Thomas     W Derby  8b 696   
or
Wardle  Edward     W. Derby  8b 696 

A possible for the Garcia family? Is this the family?

1901 census RG13 3420 folio 34
11 in 4 Court College Lane Liverpool
Mary A Garcia 33 Head Married Tailoress Trousers
Andrew Garcia 15 Son National telephone labourer
Robert Garcia 13 Son   
Eliza Garcia 2 Daughter
all born Liverpool

1891 census RG12 2910 folio 12
4 ? 10 Court Gilbert Street Liverpool
Eliza Johnson 49 Wife Tailoress London 
M A Garcia 23 Granddaughter Married Tailoress Liverpool
Andrew Garcia 5 Grandson Liverpool
Phillip Garcia 3 Grandson Liverpool
John Garcia 1 grandson Liverpool

Possible marriage - it would have to be a second marriage for Avelino (born Spain) who was an outfitter in Liverpool on the 1881 census. You would need a birth certificate of one of the children to be sure.

Marriages Sep 1885   
Barrio  Servanda    Manchester  8d 409   
Garcia  Avelino Perez     Manchester  8d 409   
HAYES  Mary Ann     Manchester  8d 409   
Jordan  Thomas     Manchester  8d 409

Death of his first wife and son

Deaths Dec 1883 
Garcia  Mary  30  Liverpool  8b 85       
Garcia  Severino  6  Liverpool  8b 86


Regards


Valda

[deb usa]

Hi

In 1881 Avelino Garcia b Spain is with his wife Mary aged 29 b Cheshire, Birkenhead. Son,  Sevelina is 3 b Liverpool.


This is possibly Avelino's first marriage;

Avelino P Garcia and on the same page Mary Kelly Dec q 1876, Cheshire, Birkenhead.

I don't see a marriage of Eliza Emidy to a person named Paul.

deb

[Valda]

Or

Marriages Dec 1882 
Gracia  Peter    Liverpool  8b 227
either   
Guy  Ellen     Liverpool  8b 227
or   
PAUL  Mary Anne     Liverpool  8b 227

Can't see any possible census entries as Gracia and Mary Anne. The Mary Ann of the 1891 and 1901 censuses would have been 14 in 1882 legally able to marry but very young to do so.

Regards


Valda

[deb usa]

Hi Valda

Good one! Although, as you say, rather young.

In 1881 I found a Mary A Paul , 13 , scholar, b Liverpool with her widowed mother , Eliza, 39, tailoress ....but born Portugal.    The occupation seems to fit but age and POB for Eliza is completely off.

will keep looking

deb

[deb usa]

Hi Valda

I seem to be going around in circles !

In 1871 I see Charles Buzza mar 26 , manager in cotton factory, b truro. He is with wife Eliza R , 25 b Truro, and children William E, 3 and Susan M 2 months, both born Lancashire. They are in Bradford, Manchester.

This couple must refer to marriage you found previously.
"Marriages Jun 1866   
EMIDY  Eliza R      W.Derby  8b 658
either
BUZZA  Charles    W. Derby  8b 658   
or   
SPARROW  Henry     W. Derby  8b 658"


   
there is also this family in Lancs in 1891:

John Buzza warehouseman b Truro with wife Cecelia (nee Emidy) 42, b Liverpool. They have children Joseph Emidy Buzza 14 and John W 5. Also staying with them is Maria J Emidy, sister-in-law, 44 b Truro.

I am still trying to find Eliza Emidy b c 1834 and her marriage to Mr. Paul/l

The Eliza, from Portugal seems to be with husband Robert in 1871 ...this time she is born Liverpool. mary Ann Paul , dau is 3 b Liverpool

I just can't seem to sort it out right now ... 

deb

[maidmarianoops]

census 1861
 ROYAL HOTEL MARKET ST FALMOUTH
Eliza Emidy abt 1833 Truro, Cornwall, England
============Servant Falmouth, Cornwall
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1881 England Census
 Name:Eliza Emidy
ABT 60
Est Birth abt 1821
Head
Truro
Ardwick
Lancashire
301 Ashton Old Rd

Reg Chorlton
Sub Ardwick
 Household
     
Cecilia Buzza              31  NIECE
Jane C. Buzza               1 GT NIECE
John Buzza                  38 NEPHEW   WAREHOUSEMAN
Joseph A. Buzza           4  GREAT NEPHEW
Eliza Emidy                 60  HEAD          GREENGROCER
Maria J. Emidy            36 NIECE DRESSMAKER AGE COULD BE 56

BITS AND PIECES
SYLVIA

1841 CENSUS KENWYN DISTRICT 4

THOMAS EMIDY 35 MUSICIAN
MARGERY "          40

Cecelia Emidy     1828 Kenwyn Cornwall
Eliza Emidy          1834 "
Francis Emidy       1831 "
James Emidy        1839 "
Joseph Emidy      1835, "
Richard Emidy       1837 "
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ALSO ON SAME  PAGE
MARY CARNATON  40
CHARLES " 15
WILLIAM ' 13
THOMAS   12
HENRY      6
MARY        4
EMILY       1
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1841 CENSUS

Eliza Emidy  23
Est 1818
ALL
born Kenwyn Cornwall

Cecelia Emidy28
Eliza Emidy23
Jane Emidy60

[deesam56]

hi
i have found children that george and amelia slack had on the 1951 census

Amelia Slack 35 
Amelia Slack 2 
Ann Slack 9 
George Slack 40 
William Slack 7 
don't know whether that is any help but....
good luck
dee