Cornish Mystery

[maidmarianoops]

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cricket5/hel_baptisms_c.htm

some carnarton and  1 caenarton
sylvia

[JAP]

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cricket5/hel_baptisms_c.htm
some carnarton and  1 caenarton
sylvia

And also one CARNARTHON and some CARNARTENs.  sylvia, I'm afraid that site has already been mentioned on this thread and the people have been followed up.
JAP

[deb usa]

Hi Everyone

I'm back with death certs:
Kenwyn, Truro
13 June 1894, Charles Street, Truro: Amelia SMITH, 78 years ,Widow of George Smith, Licensed Pedlar...
cause of death: Cerebral apoplexy   
Informant: A. Carveth,daughter, present at death, 12 James Place, Truro
registered: 2 july 1894



St Clements, Truro
27 feb 1872 Pydar Street, Truro (ooo my mum used to live in Pydar street)
George SLACK, 69 years, Pedlar
cause of death: Haematemesia 
informant: Jane Maunder (signed with her mark), present at the death, Pydar Street  registered: 28 feb 1872


Okay who was Jane Maunder, why was she living at the same house ...why didn't Amelia or one of the children register George's death ? 

need to rush off ...will be back ...

deb

[Valda]

From the information you give it doesn't actually say Jane Maunder was living in the same house.
The 1871 census gives Jane Maunder 43 the wife of Thomas a shoemaker in Pydar Street.
Though like most women on censuses there is no occupation for Jane she may very well have supplemented the family's income by nursing within the local community. She has no children present in the family home so would be available to stay overnight nursing the dying and perhaps those in childbirth. Like many such women she also performed the service of registering the death. The registrar would likely know her and know she had experience of death and illness and could describe symptoms. The registrar would not therefore consider that there was anything suspicious in the cause of death. By 1875 a doctor legally had to certify the death and any informant had to give their relationship to the deceased.

'Someone present at the death could simply have been the person who made a living by sitting with the dying and laying them out after death, or a close friend or neighbour and is not necessarily a relative.'

http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/deaths.htm#COL7

'Hematemesis: The medical term for bloody vomitus.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hematemesis

Regards

Valda

[deb usa]

Thanks Valda 

I was jumping to conclusions again .... 

also thanks for the medical term .... poor George !

back later

deb

[Britgirl]

Ah, but Deb, it has solved another part of the puzzle... namely what happened to the eldest daughter Ann! 

If you remember, she was last seen in the 1871 census married to Francis BASSETT. She had had a son with him before their marriage in 1870 (William Francis) who had died by this census.

Then she seemed to have vanished. Now, thanks to her being the informant of her mother's death I found her in London in 1881 living with Bennett Carveth and a 3 year old daughter, Ellen.
In 1891 they were back in Truro.

In 1901 he is down as Benjamin Carveth with a new wife, Susan. Ellen is still living with them, in Truro.
There is a possible death of Ann CARVOLTH in Redruth RD, Jun 1897 aged 54, but I'm not sure Ann and Susan aren't possibly the same person!! Ann's age goes off in 1891 but she is recorded as a fishmonger, as is Susan in 1901, who's age tallies with Ann in 1881!!

FreeBMD isn't throwing up a marriage either, but taking her past record I'm not too surprised! The father of her 2 elder daughters, Emma & Annie, is reputed to be Joseph Burton. 

[deb usa]

Hiya Julia

So glad something came of ordering the certs ..woohooo ...when I first got them I was wondering about the elder daughter who was the informant ...I know you had traced her marriage but I could not recall that surname at all ...I will look at the census tomorrow ... Late here ,had a busy day and a busy day tomorrow ,,,soon kids will be back at school and I can PLAY 

keep us informed ....

later
deb xxx

[maidmarianoops]

both 1881 census


Ann Carveth 38 
Bennett Carveth 38 
Ellen Carveth born st pancras  age3 

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Ann Carveth 54 
Annie Carveth 15 
Bennett Carveth 57 
Chas. Carveth 19 
Ellen Carveth 17 born truro

just to add to the mystery


[mystery solved]father and son]

1871
 Ann Carveth 45 
Bennett Carveth 48 
Bennett Carveth 22 
Charles Carveth 9 
Elizabeth Carveth 20 
Ellen Carveth 7 
F Carveth 18 
John Carveth 16 
Mary A Carveth 5 

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death  Bennett Carveth  1824 1903 Oct-Nov-Dec Truro Cornwall

sylvia
wait there's more



i think this is a different family
1901 census


Benjamin Carveth 56 
Ellen Carveth 23                   Ellen Carveth born 1863 truro
Susan Carveth 57 



 
 
 


 
 

[Britgirl]

Hi Sylvia,

Yes, those are the ones I found too.

1881 St Pancras
Bennet CARVETH 38 Truro
Ann CARVETH 38 Truro
Ellen CARVETH 3 St Pancras

Bennet was born to Bennet & Ann reg Jun 1849

1891 Kenwyn
Bennet CARVETH 44 Truro
Ann CARVETH 41 Truro
Ellen CARVETH 13 St Pancras

1901 St Clement
Benjamin CARVETH 56 Truro
Susan CARVETH 57 Truro
Ellen CARVETH 23 London