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Re: Can you help me find Convict ancestor?
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 29 November 08 05:07 GMT (UK) »
there is a website for tasmania, the convicts and more for nsw, where abouts did he go.
the tassie one is really good found my great grandfather there
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Re: Can you help me find Convict ancestor?
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 29 November 08 06:05 GMT (UK) »
By 1846 there were few convicts coming to the eastern states of Australia
In the period 1846-1850 the ones sent to NSW were known as "convict exiles"

Transportation to NSW effectively ceased in 1842 but between 1846-50 exiles were transported. Exiles had served part of their sentence in a penitentiary in Britain and were granted a conditional pardon or ticket of leave on arrival in the Colony.
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/indexes_online_3357.asp#Convicts

Then I find - on the ship China - voyage date 3 Jan 1846 - to Van Dieman's Land
There is a listing  for a James Flower =Convicts Transported HO 11/15
Somerset assizes 2 Aug 1845 sentence Life
There are a few others on the China convicted at the same time - would these names be of any help?

Is this a possible - more information
http://www.archives.tas.gov.au/nameindexes
He arrived 16 may 1846 and there is a note saying died Norfolk Island June 1846 - and that was not a nice place to be sent!
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=C&id=24010

I'm not sure where the NI records of that time are held - google will probably find them - 1846 was, I think, the 3rd convict settlement on NI

Trish


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Re: Can you help me find Convict ancestor?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 29 November 08 09:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi Rosie/ Trish

Sheila hasn't been online for a while but hopefully she will get a notification as the above info is really helpful.

It's an interesting thing to note that convicts were still being sent abroad at this time - my own was sentenced in 1853 and disappears without trace, so I know how frustrating it can be looking for them!

Kind regards, Arranroots  ;)
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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: Can you help me find Convict ancestor?
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 29 November 08 10:23 GMT (UK) »
hi arranroots
its amazing and frustrating, there are so many records that have been destroyed too, such a shame pity they didnt have puters going back then
take care and thanks

http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/
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Re: Can you help me find Convict ancestor?
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 29 November 08 12:36 GMT (UK) »
Oh dear - I only ever look at the last post - didn't check the date on the others - now if old threads were deleted, I wouldn't have spent time on this  ;D  ;D

Truth be, they probably found the information from your Somerset comment AR, so we can assume another happy customer

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Re: Can you help me find Convict ancestor?
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 29 November 08 13:10 GMT (UK) »
Ah, never assume in Family History!

And since Sheila's cousin may also want to refer to the thread, we won't be deleting it (see my comments to you earlier today).

We've had quite a few people discover new cousins and solve long-standing mysteries by discovering threads posted years ago on Rootschat - and that's the beauty of sharing!

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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: Can you help me find Convict ancestor?
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 23 December 08 09:28 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks folks for your input, and sorry I haven,t been on line for ages.
I have now found out where my original confusion over names occurred regarding Flowers transported.My great great great Grandfather James Flower ,the toymaker ,may have now served his time in England  but his wife may not have known where he was, and put husband transported on the census form.That may be why we cant find him on Oz.and it seems the other James Flower who was transported was his son, who,s prison details and newspaper report of his trial were supplied by Gloucester records office.Young James was sentenced for highway robbery.He and a friend got chatting to a man in a Bedminster pub, who was seeking work.They followed him outside, robbed him and beat him very badly.His conduct whilst in prison awaiting trial was very good and it seems he was previously of good character.My cousin mentioned a ship called the China. My cousin in Oz also thinks that another brother ended up in the notorious prison near Portland Bill breaking stone, and their mother may have died in London in a womens prison.My great great grandfather seems to have been the best of the bunch.His only "crime" seems to have been getting my Great great grandmother pregnant before the wedding.
Thankyou to everyone who helped me along the journey,and hope you all have a great Christmas
Sheila xx :)
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Re: Can you help me find Convict ancestor?
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 24 December 08 09:37 GMT (UK) »
Wow Sheila - some pretty colourful flowers in that bunch!  :D

Do try to get hold of all the relevant court records - the physical descriptions alone make it worthwhile.

Kind regards, Arranroots  ;)
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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: Can you help me find Convict ancestor?
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 24 December 08 09:39 GMT (UK) »
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