Cheshire Parish Records Marriages only pre 1837

[egardner]

Oh, thankyou so much! What a step foreward (backward?) this is.   Eve

[egardner]

Peter, it seems my reply to your information about the Hallams at Pott Shrigley turned up in the wrong spot. I'm still trying to understand how this site works. It surely does work! that I know! Thankyou again                Eve

[Jools65]

Hi i am having trouble finding the marriage of Joshua Marsland to Mary Burdekin. The first child being born 1849 so presumebly marriage c1848. They lived  in Chorlton on Medlock Lancs. Joshua was born stockport and mary sheffield yorks. I have searched BMD no such luck! can you help me find them please..... Jools.

[Wattsy]

       I have found a record of a marriage at Leek Staffordshire of James Dawson Inn keeper widower and Catherine Low on the 21/Aug/1836 by licence.
     
peterbennett

Hi Peter

That is really wonderful - not what I expected but yet another avenue to explore.  I am not familiar with marriage by licence - how and where would I find this information?  Is it likely to provide any further help?  Thanks again for your continued assistance.

Wattsy

[peterbennett]

Hi Wattsy

               The marriage licence is normally a document that contains the details of the marriage, place, date, bride, groom and witnesses (not nessaraly parents) the church would be St Edwards and the records are kept at Staffs record office. You can find details of how to obtain a copy on this link, you may have to pay.

http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/portal/page?_pageid=47,70360&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL

While I remember I had a email chat with a Macclesfield friend who has done a lot of reseach into pubs and breweries in Macclesfield and he sent me all the info he has relating to the Dawsons in the licence trade in Macclesfield,much of it just confirms what is known already plus some extras. details below


Checking my records for the White Bear, King Edward St. - I have the following licensees listed (mainly from trade directories)
 
1818        Joseph Shaw
1822-3     E Dawson (London Directory)
1824        Elizabeth Dawson     (Piggot & Dean)
1825        ditto
1828-30    ditto                        (Piggot)
1838        James Dawson        (I have a mention of James in 1831 also)
1841        ditto
1844        ditto                        (Slaters)
1846        ditto                        (Williams)
1848        ditto                        (Slaters)
1850        Edw. Dawson           
 
As for the Lamb, Stanley Street. - I have the following relating to the Dawson family:-
 
1818        Thomas Dawson        (Piggot)
1822-3      James Dawson
1828-30    ditto                        (Piggot)
 
 
In Pigot's 1838 Directory there are 3 Dawsons listed:-
 
Mrs Elizabeth Dawson        Great King Street
James Dawson, vict, White Bear, King Edward Street
John Dawson, vict, Struggler, Watercotes
 
The first two are also listed in a Piggot directory for 1841
 
In Slater's Liverpool Directory we have;-
 
Dawson Mrs Betty, Great King St.
Dawson James, vict. White Bear, King Edward S.
Dawson John, shopkeeper, Park Green
 
By 1857 the only directory entry (relating to the licenced trade)  is for a John Dawson (beer retailer - Steeple Street. Possibly the Franklin). He is still there in 1860.
 
By 1864 no Dawsons associated with the trade.

regards

peterbennett

[Wattsy]

Hi Wattsy

               The marriage licence is normally a document that contains the details of the marriage, place, date, bride, groom and witnesses (not nessaraly parents) the church would be St Edwards and the records are kept at Staffs record office. You can find details of how to obtain a copy on this link, you may have to pay.

http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/portal/page?_pageid=47,70360&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL

While I remember I had a email chat with a Macclesfield friend who has done a lot of reseach into pubs and breweries in Macclesfield and he sent me all the info he has relating to the Dawsons in the licence trade in Macclesfield,much of it just confirms what is known already plus some extras. details below


Checking my records for the White Bear, King Edward St. - I have the following licensees listed (mainly from trade directories)
 
1818        Joseph Shaw
1822-3     E Dawson (London Directory)
1824        Elizabeth Dawson     (Piggot & Dean)
1825        ditto
1828-30    ditto                        (Piggot)
1838        James Dawson        (I have a mention of James in 1831 also)
1841        ditto
1844        ditto                        (Slaters)
1846        ditto                        (Williams)
1848        ditto                        (Slaters)
1850        Edw. Dawson           
 
As for the Lamb, Stanley Street. - I have the following relating to the Dawson family:-
 
1818        Thomas Dawson        (Piggot)
1822-3      James Dawson
1828-30    ditto                        (Piggot)
 
 
In Pigot's 1838 Directory there are 3 Dawsons listed:-
 
Mrs Elizabeth Dawson        Great King Street
James Dawson, vict, White Bear, King Edward Street
John Dawson, vict, Struggler, Watercotes
 
Hello Peter
Yet again I have to thank you and especially your Macclesfield friend who supplied all the above information. I really don`t know whether to scream with delight or frustration.
Could I ask your opinion on the above - do you think it is likely that the original licensee of the pubs was one Thomas Dawson who presumably died and then the license was taken over by his wife Mrs Elizabeth Dawson, who in turn passed it to their son James?  Does this seem likely?  The problem seems to be that there are two separate public houses involved.  Would the original licenses which are housed at Chester hold any additional information that might clarify the situation?
Any help would be appreciated.
Kind regards
Wattsy

[peterbennett]

Hi
    The original licence would tell you who it was granted to.
It does look though that James took over the White Bear around mid 1830's prior to that Thomas and Elizabeth seem to have run the two premises between themselves, but whether they both held a licence or not I couldn't guess.

hope this helps

peterbennett

[FOXSTEL]

Hi Chris,

Could u find my relation William Stelfox's parents names.  he was born 1804/05 he was a waterman from Northwich an later married vAnn Vernon.

Thanks, Alex

[Wattsy]

Hi
    The original licence would tell you who it was granted to.
It does look though that James took over the White Bear around mid 1830's prior to that Thomas and Elizabeth seem to have run the two premises between themselves, but whether they both held a licence or not I couldn't guess.


Hi Peter
Thanks again for your help and knowledge. 
Wattsy