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Re: Help finding 1861 soldier record
« Reply #9 on: Monday 06 March 06 18:03 GMT (UK) »
Captain Baker Creed Russell joined the 7th of Foot in 1859 (Times) - moved to the 13th Hussars from the 7th Foot in 1862 (also Times)

In 1863 Lieut. Vincent Upton Larsworthy moved from the 7th to the 100th Foot (also Times).

Seems a bit odd if they were supposed to be in a Cavalry barracks!
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Re: Help finding 1861 soldier record
« Reply #10 on: Monday 06 March 06 18:07 GMT (UK) »
So maybe my Charles was in the 7th Foot?  What exactly does that mean - is that what you would call infantry? And yes they were all listed in the census as living in South Barracks.
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Re: Help finding 1861 soldier record
« Reply #11 on: Monday 06 March 06 18:39 GMT (UK) »
So maybe my Charles was in the 7th Foot? 

Possibly, if we have the right Captain Russell.The 7th Foot (The Royal Fusiliers- City of London regiment) were an infantry regiment and as such I'm not sure why they would have been in a Cavalry barracks ??? Will need to do a bit more digging!

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Re: Help finding 1861 soldier record
« Reply #12 on: Monday 06 March 06 18:55 GMT (UK) »
I checked back on the census and he is listed as Baker Creed Russell.  I left out the middle name when I noted him.
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Re: Help finding 1861 soldier record
« Reply #13 on: Monday 06 March 06 19:02 GMT (UK) »
I checked back on the census and he is listed as Baker Creed Russell

Great stuff!! see?,we're getting somewhere now! :)

Mick ;)
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Re: Help finding 1861 soldier record
« Reply #14 on: Monday 06 March 06 19:39 GMT (UK) »
The movements of the 1st and 2nd battalions don't really help much ???

1st Battalion

1857 Sepoy rebellion   
1859 India 
1863 NW Frontier 
1870 Aden 
1870 England

2nd Battallion

1858 Gibraltar   
1863 Malta   
1865 Canada

I'm sure we'll get there! ;D

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Re: Help finding 1861 soldier record
« Reply #15 on: Monday 06 March 06 19:46 GMT (UK) »
Is a Battalion made up of many regiments? or is a battalion another name for a regiment?  Forgive me this military stuff is totally unfamiliar!
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Re: Help finding 1861 soldier record
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 07 March 06 14:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dorothy,

Infantry regiments were divided into two battalions with each battalion having four companies.One battalion usually served overseas whilst the other stayed at home,unless there was a conflict when both battalions could be sent.Each battalion had a strength of approx 1000 men.

Of the two battalions of the 7th foot,I think it more likely that it was the 2nd battalion that was at Walmer because the 1st were in India before and after that date and I can't see that they would have brought a battalion home from there only to send them out again!The 2nd battalion might have been there in transit between Gibralter and Malta.

I did find this about the movements of the 7th foot;

'Periods in garrisons and tours of duty both at home and abroad followed. The Crimean War saw the 7th as part of the Light Division at the Battle of the Alma 1854 where they won great renown. In all, the 7th won five Victoria Crosses during the Crimean War. The Indian Mutiny followed (1857/8), with the 7th arriving from England in December 1857. In 1863 the 1st Battalion of the 7th were on the North West Frontier of India and the 2nd Battalion went to Canada 1866-1870 where they were involved in dealing with the Fenian Raids.'

Unfortunately, I don't have access to the census returns so I can't look at them with a view to working out how many other units,if any,were at Walmer in 1861.I think that maybe we have to break the golden rule and 'assume' that Charles was in the 7th foot and possibly the 2nd battalion,given the information we have so far.

Regards,Mick ;)
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Re: Help finding 1861 soldier record
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 07 March 06 17:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dorothy,

I'll have to ask you to do a bit more detective work with the 1861 census.Below I have posted the 7th Foot entry from the 1860 Harts army list (I hope it's not to big!), it lists all of the officers of the regiment in service at that time.The number on the immediate left of each man's name is the battalion he was in,either 1 or 2.

It's really looking good for the 2nd btn of the 7th foot being at Walmer in 1861!! If you look at the bottom of page two it actually mentions that the 2nd battalion's home depot was..............wait for it...............Walmer ;)!!!so I really think that we might be in the ball park with this one.

Could you look at the census and see if the majority of officers listed are from the 2nd? bear in mind that there might have been promotions,so a lieutenant in 1860 might have been promoted to Captain by 1861,even so,we have their full names.I see that Capt Baker Creed Russel is listed as 2nd btn as is Vincent Upton Langworthy on page 2 although he was an Ensign in 1860.

It will be interesting to know how you get on.

Regards,Mick ;)
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