Vicar of Norton help please

[Adamand]

Hello Noells. Yes St Mary's Norton-on-Tees is the correct church and that is where his gravestone marker is. It is a lovely Saxon church overlooking the village green and duck pond.  Go to http://www.google.co.uk/ and type in Norton St Mary, Duck pond, Norton, Norton Green or any variations of those and you will see quite a few photographs. Adamand

[sillgen]

I am afraid I do not know Cheshire well enough to say whether Bollington and Turner Heath are close.  One way to differentiate between the wives will be birth place and age.   Have a look on www.genuki.com which should say where they are with luck.   However you said you had a possible marriage in 1860??   Cold but bright here in Sussex - we never seem to get any of the snow!
Andrea

[Valda]

Frances/pet name Fanny, the wife of John Ridley, appears on the censuses 1851-1881 to be consistently the same age, if not exactly the same place of birth
Cheshire
Turner Heath Cheshire
Bollington Cheshire x 2

So the 1860 marriage of Frances Antrobus would be consistent with the censuses

Marriages Jun 1860
Antrobus  Frances    Macclesfield  8a 198  
RIDLEY  John     Macclesfield  8a 198

Frances/Fanny appears to have outlived John as I think she is lodging in Bath Somerset in 1891 - census entry is Fanny a widow living on her own means born Prestbury Cheshire (which is in Macclesfield Registration district, as is Bollington). She is lodging with a Mary E Inson widow also born Prestbury but slightly older. I am fairly sure this was actually Mary E. Hinson her older widowed sister who appears on the 1881 census in Hampshire as Mary E. Hinson born Prestbury.

I can't see on FreeBMD a marriage of a John Ridley to a Fanny Turner between 1851-1861. If John Ridley was married to another Fanny by 1861 then he couldn't have married Frances Antrobus in 1860.

From the IGI
WALTER RIDLEY  
MARGARET HOPES  
Marriage:  08 DEC 1827   Kirklinton, Cumberland

1851 census HO107 2428 folio 128
Moat  Cumberland  
Jane Reed 60  Kirklinton, Cumberland, Head Married Farmer's wife of 400 acres employing 10 labourers
Rowland Reed 21  Stapleton, Cumberland, Son  Farmers son
James Reed 19  Stapleton, Cumberland,  Son  Farmers son
Ann Reed 17  Stapleton, Cumberland, Daughter  Farmers daughter  
George Calvert 34  Kirklinton, Cumberland,  Son-in-law  Married Farmer
Elizabeth Calvert 24  Stapleton, Cumberland,  Daughter Farmer's wife
Thomas Calvert 1  Kirkandrews on Esk, Cumberland, Grandson  
Joseph Ridley 13 Kirklinton, Cumberland, Visitor  
plus 9 servants

1851 census HO107 2428 folio 359
Hethersgill Village  Cumberland  
Margaret Ridley 48 Kirklinton, Cumberland,  Head  Widow Grocer
Elizabeth Calvert 27  Kirklinton, Cumberland,  Niece Unmarried Farmer's daughter
next door
Elizabeth Hope 55 Kirklinton, Cumberland Head, Unmarried Annuitant

1861 census RG9 3912 folio 46
Hethersgill  Cumberland  
Margaret Ridley 59  Kirklinton, Cumberland,  Head  Widow Grocer
Mary Ridley 28 Kirklinton, Cumberland,  Daughter  
 
1861 census RG9 2557 folio 160
Church Street Hyde  Cheshire  
George Ridley 29  Kirklinton, Cumberland, Lodger Unmarried Curate of St. George's Church Hyde

1861 census RG9 3941 folio 40
Crosscanonby  Cumberland  
Joseph Ridley 23  Kirklinton, Cumberland,  Boarder Unmarried Teacher of Mathematics

Joseph by 1881 was Curate of Garforth Yorkshire

Regards

Valda
 

[Noells]

Hi Sillgen and Valda

My apologies - I stupidly read the 1861 census details from Sillgen as Fanny Turner. I did not even think of Fanny as Frances!! 

Also had no idea Turner Heath was a place in Cheshire. so thought her surname was Turner, born in Heath. Of course now you explain it to me I can see my error. No wonder I could not find any record of this marriage last night while searching the IGI.

Valda, the additional details from you are  extremely helpful and certainly flesh out the family for us.

Once again I thank everyone who has helped with this information- to think that 3 days ago all we had here in Oz was the Vicar of Norton details from 1881 census.

My friend is planning to hopefully travel to England later this year, and would love to visit the places her ancestors came from. We are certainly now well on the way to achieving this aim thanks to all of you

Regards
Noells

[angie29]

From the BDM indexes

John Ridley married Frances Antrobus 2nd Qtr 1860 registration district Macclesfield, Cheshire.

1861 census Rev John Ridley, Curate of Worsthorne, born 1829 Kirklington Cumbria, with wife Frances born abt 1827 Turners Heath, Cheshire.

1881 census Rev John Ridley Vicar of Norton, Stockton, wife Frances born 1826, Bollington. two children:-

Frank Ridley born 1863 Worsthorne, Lancs
Florence Grey Ridley born 1871 Norton, Durham

John Ridley died 1886, Durham. Probate to John Brooke Ridley of Huntingdon. physician and Frank Ridley of Norton, solicitor.

1891 census Frances Ridley widow aged 65 (b 1826) lodger at lodging house 20 Bathwick Villas, Bath

1911 census Florence Grey Ridley spinster aged 40 is found with her brother Philip Walton Ridley  a bank clerk born 1869, Cheadle, Cheshire.

Frances Ridley, widow, died 1905 in Bournemouth, Dorset, registration district Christchurch, probate to John Brooke Ridley MD (born 1861, Burnley, Lancs) and Frank Ridley solicitor, sons of the deceased, estate £50 18s 7d

There is a baptism of Frances Antrobus 16 Sept 1825, daughter of Philip Antrobus and his wife Mary in Prestbury, Cheshire.

All you need to do now is see the marriage certificate for Frances Antrobus and John Ridley in 1860 to make sure that the Frances in that marriage was the same one that was baptised by Philip and Mary in 1825 in Prestbury, and you have confirmed the identity of John Ridley's wife.

There are several John Ridleys  and Frances Ridleys at that time.

If you're not familiar with an area where you are researching families, have a map handy, birth and marriage registrations became compulsory in 1837 with the enforcement of the  Birth and Marriage registration Act 1836, and registration districts weren't always the same as the village in which people said they were born in census returns.

I hope this helps everyone.

[sarah]

Hi Angie,

Welcome to RootsChat

Noells was online a few months ago and will be notified of your new reply.

Regards

Sarah

[Westoe]

Hello Noells,

Since in 1851 John Ridley was a student at Trinity College, Dublin, I think that this is he here about
1/2 way down Page 200 of 266 of this free online digitized record.

Title:   Index to Admissions Records, 1848-1868
Name(s):    Trinity College (Dublin, Ireland)
Department:    Manuscripts & Archives Research Library, Trinity College Dublin
Item No.:    IE TCD MUN V 24/4
Is part of:     Trinity College Dublin Alumni Records & Registers (Genealogy Resources)
Digital No.:     MUN-V-24-4_199
Abstract:    Index to entrance books 1750-68, 1769-1825, 1825-46. Entrance books are grossly alphabetical within each group of years, giving name, date of entry (passing matriculation and of paying fees), name of College tutor and further observations. The folio numbers jump from 104v to 113r and then from 120v to 105r and finally 112v to 121r.

https://www.tcd.ie/Library/manuscripts/collections/genealogy.php

Then of course, you need to look at pages 86 and 87 of 546 in this volume on the same website:

Title:   Admissions Records, 1847-1876
Alternative Title:  Entrance books
Name(s): Trinity College (Dublin, Ireland)
Department: Manuscripts & Archives Research Library, Trinity College Dublin
Item No.:  IE TCD MUN V 23/6
Is part of:  Trinity College Dublin Alumni Records & Registers (Genealogy Resources)
Digital No.:  MUN-V-23-6_087
Note: folios 64v and 65r ; 223v and 224r ; 255v and 256r are glued together.
Abstract:  Trinity entrance books/matriculation register chronologically providing date of entry, name and age at entry with their religion, father's name and profession, county of birth, and place of previous education.

There you will find (entered in Latin) that John Ridley was the son of  Walter Ridley, deceased, was Anglican, 22 years old and born in Cumberland.

And thirdly, you'll find him summarized on page 1030 of 1078 in
Alumni Dublinenses: A Register of the Students, Graduates, Professors, and Provosts of Trinity College, in the University of Dublin 1593-1860.
where you'll see that he accomplished his B.A. in 1856 and his M.A. in 1871.

Cheers,
Westoe

[angie29]

Westoe

Thank you for all that information with references