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Re: Spooky experiences while researching
« Reply #90 on: Wednesday 05 April 06 12:15 BST (UK) »
 i hope your right  Mrs Lizzy, i just keep thinking why had they got their backs to me why the blood why the devil awe well im not going to think about it any more.

Hey Pipkim maybe you are remembering that stretch of road from a past life?


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« Reply #91 on: Wednesday 05 April 06 12:17 BST (UK) »
Hi Mrs.Lizzy lovely to see you again.

What an amazing story.  Though story is the wrong term to use.. experience is better.

Somebody very much wanted their story told, and you were chosen to tell it.

How very sad for young Ada to feel driven to suicide in that terrible way.  You may never really get to the truth of the matter, so don't blame Ann out of hand.  Half truths and whispers lead to malicious gossip that can get out of hand leading to slander and untold misery for the recipient, in this case to beyond the grave.  Give her the benefit of the doubt.  I should think it would take more than a harridan's words to cause a young girl to commit suicide. That's my opinion anyway.

I am wondering whether it was Ada or Ann who stood at your shoulder.  Perhaps Ann wants you to try to find out the real reason why Ada committed suicide...worth a thought.

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Well my view is that Ada never meant to commit suicide at all - I think it was a dramatic gesture that went too far and somehow she thought they would make her sick, that she would recover, perhaps be a bit pale and wan for a while and make them all ashamed of the way they'd treated her.  There is a tangled mystery in there - you see Ada had been brought up by Ann, ostensibly as her adopted grandchild, but in fact Ada was the illegitimate daughter of Ann's eldest son Josiah (can't prove that by the way!)  I suspect Ada thought as the granddaughter of a woman of property, niece of a couple (Martha and William Giesen) who were "professional people" and had at least at some stage, owned a ship, maybe Ada viewed herself as like them and thought she would marry a professional man, have a couple of servants etc.  There was apparently a visit from a female relative a day or two before, who had "remonstrated" with Ada.  I suspect they told her that she wasn't in fact like them, that she was the illegitimate daughter of a maidservant - and if so that would have come as a dreadful shock to a young Victorian woman who was a staunch member of her parish church and up till then had expected a respectable future.  Unfortunately all this is guesswork.  Maybe I will scan and post a copy of the newspaper report on her inquest - it is really gripping stuff.  

I also have had a strong impression for many years, that Ada's brother Charles Giesen, who was my great-great grandfather, was not a particularly comfortable sort of man to be around.  I just have this feeling he was and still is very angry, although he could be a bit narked with me for posting the fact of his illegitimacy on the internet.  I do wonder if he knew the facts surrounding his birth as he always told the family he was "of German extraction" and gave every appearance of believing that William Henry Giesen was his father - in fact William and Martha were his adoptive parents and as we know, there was no formal adoption process until 1927 and these events were taking place from about 1862 until 1881 when Ada died.
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Re: Spooky experiences while researching
« Reply #92 on: Wednesday 05 April 06 12:21 BST (UK) »
i hope your right  Mrs Lizzy, i just keep thinking why had they got their backs to me why the blood why the devil awe well im not going to think about it any more.

Hey Pipkim maybe you are remembering that stretch of road from a past life?


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colette

They had their backs to you - this could be a symbol for their having passed on ahead of you into the next world - as for the devil and the blood, again, I am certain these are merely symbols in your mind of physical death.  Really Colette there is nothing to worry about, it was just a dream in this case.  I would recommend you meditate or something, on something beautiful that reassures you, as I think you need to put this dream aside and try to forget about it.  It is obviously not helping you in any way.   Bit of deep breathing, beautiful music, maybe a prayer or some positive affirmation.  I am sure you are being taken care of and so are your departed relatives - don't worry.
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Re: Spooky experiences while researching
« Reply #93 on: Wednesday 05 April 06 12:26 BST (UK) »
Thank you Mrs Lizzy, you have a lovely way with you. (lovely Nature)
 You have put me at ease and made me feel loads better.

Colette
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Re: Spooky experiences while researching
« Reply #94 on: Wednesday 05 April 06 12:50 BST (UK) »
Collette, this is a site which delves into dream interpretation http://www.dreammoods.com/ although I think it needs some personal intuition to link all the varying factors together when you look up single items.

And the devil is nothing to worry about - he doesn't exist so it can only ever be symbolic.  A bit like the Death card in Tarot - it symbolises the end of something but not necessarily an actual 'death'.

I googled 'dream + interpretation' and there were loads more if you have the time (and the interest!) to look further.

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Re: Spooky experiences while researching
« Reply #95 on: Wednesday 05 April 06 13:25 BST (UK) »
thanks for the link passionplay,
I'm reading other peoples dreams in the forum and people reply and try to interpret them, mine is tame in comparasion to some lol. makes interesting reading all the same.

Colette
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« Reply #96 on: Wednesday 05 April 06 13:29 BST (UK) »
The loveliest dream I ever had was this: I was walking alongside a riverbank, overhung with willow trees etc, and there were lots of kingfishers and other birds swooping about.  One of the kingfishers landed on my shoulder and rubbed its face affectionately against my cheek.  Beautiful!
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Re: Spooky experiences while researching
« Reply #97 on: Wednesday 05 April 06 15:04 BST (UK) »
The loveliest dream I ever had was this: I was walking alongside a riverbank, overhung with willow trees etc, and there were lots of kingfishers and other birds swooping about.  One of the kingfishers landed on my shoulder and rubbed its face affectionately against my cheek.  Beautiful!

I would definitely say he wasone of your animal guides then MrsLizzy

Check out Animal Guides or Animal Totems and you should find him somewhere among them. They usually carry a message as well

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« Reply #98 on: Wednesday 05 April 06 15:06 BST (UK) »
Not sure about animals - but I definitely imagined those red fly agaric fungi when I did one of those trance things once.

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