MOTT/MOTTE/MOTTS, All

[mottman]

Hi Fred

Thank you for checking the marriages it looks as if the one in December 1952 could be her then there is only one letter wrong it says Alice L Mott to ? Hoy.

But did manage to find this Ellen Richards to Frank Turner Oldham register in 1927
Ellen Turner to John Mott again Oldham register in 1929, two marriages in two years.

I am glad to hear you are improving.

Thanks again Fred

Best wishes

Jackie

Hi Jackie,
You caught me on the hop last night !
Your details of the marriages for Ellen Richards to John Turner, then Ellen Turner to John MOTT doesn't work out?
When children Ellen(1931) & Avice (1932) were born, their mothers' mmn was RICHARDS - i.e. Ellen Richards married to a MOTT, not a Turner nee Richards married to a MOTT.  She would not have married as a 'TURNER' then registered her children under her former married name.
Strange to say, there is no marriage (1921 thru 1934) of a MOTT to a RICHARDS in the registers.
Fred
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[jackie walker]

Hi Fred

This is very confusing now but on the Lancashire bmd it has her Ellen Richards as being a Turner and then Mott, they have changed it eg John Mott would be underlined to show that this is a second marriage and you click on his name and it shows both names Ellen Turner and Ellen Richards to John Mott.  I think that on the birth gro  they show the mothers maiden name  but if like my gran's hers says mother Elizabeth  Brown, formerly Hodges, late Jones. 

Now started to look for next generation of Hoy with mothers maiden name of Mott of course don't know if they had children or if they stayed on in Oldham all that to unfold. 

I have been waiting for three months for a film to arrive at the Family Centre (LDS) and at last got phone call today so hoping tomorrow to find my grandfathers war record he is a Phillips and a bit of a mystery man, family rumours last seen walking round Stockport in 1936 wearing monks robes, so if his army records survived might learn something about this man, dad never spoke of him was only about 9 when Isaac vanished.

Thanks for all your help Fred

Jackie

[mottman]

Hi Jackie,
Just to start you off, Avice & Daniel HOY first two children were - Daniel J. 1952 Dec qtr 10f.81 Oldham mmn MOTT
           Robert C. K. 1955 March qtr 10f.163 Oldham (MOTT)

I haven't checked after 1955 - didn't know if you wanted any more?
Fred

[jackie walker]

Hi Fred

Thank you so much going to try and find them and now thanks to you found the connection between the neighbour I have just got contact with again  and my Motts, if you can follow me James Mott (who was John's father) married Sarah Ann Dunn in 1871 they had daughter Elizabeth Mott who married James Hammond in 1899,  so that makes Elizabeth and John half brother/sister, John being my g grandfather, so my old neighbour (her name is Avis called after Avice) and I are related, now to find out where the other Avice Mott comes into all this.  Going to try and find the two sons so will let you know after I make phone call tonight.


Jackie

[jackie walker]

Hi Fred

Just to let you know I have spoken to Daniel J Hoy tonight and his mum Avice passed away ten years ago.  Did tell me that his grandfather John Mott married twice and has given me the name of his cousin so I am going to ring him and see if I can find out what relation John Mott to my gran Edith.

I will write tomorrow to let Margaret know about Avice.

Thank you for all your help once again.

Will let you know any more I find out.

Regards

Jackie

[msv]

I've been trying to do a friend's family tree for him.
His mother was  a Mott. So far I have been able to find the following.....any others belong to this tree ??

John Mott married Eleanor
(dates unknown)
child:
John Mott. b.1801 St. Leonards, Shoreditch
married Frances Burley

children:
William b. abt 1830 - St. Lukes, Middlesex
Frances b. abt 1832 - St. Lukes, Middlesex
Robert John b. Jul 1837 - Battersea
George b.May 1840 - Battersea
Louise b.abt 1842 - Battersea
Sarah b. abt 1842 - Battersea  (maybe same as Louise)
Mary b. abt 1845 - Battersea
Charles b. abt 1848 -

Robert John Mott (b. 1837) married Sarah Pearce (nee Gilbert)
in 1862  at St. John the Evangelist, Notting Hill

children:
Frances b. 1862 - Battersea
Alice b. abt 1864 - Battersea
Jane b. abt 1867 - Battersea
Robert John b. 1868 - Battersea
Edwin J b. abt 1871 - Battersea

Robert John Mott (b. 1868) married Elizabeth Woolhouse in 1891 at Wimbledon.
children:
Frederick Cecil b. 1894 - Merton, Surrey
Ida Edith b. abt 1899

Frederick Cecil Mott (b. 1894) married Ethel Horwood in 1917 at St. Mary's Church, Tothill Fields, Westminster

children:
Joan Iris  b. 1920 - Merton, Surrey
Stanlry b. abt 1917
Reginald b. abt 1923


Any help much appreciated

Thanks

mark

[jackie walker]

Hi Fred

How are you feeling now, improving I hope, not managed to get hold of Avice's half brother yet but will try again.

Have you any info on James Mott please he was born in Heaton Norris in 1839, found his marriage to Elizabeth Littlewood, according to that James's father was a William Mott, nothing on Cheshire on William Mott's death as yet.

Update - Peter has found him in the census for me no wonder could not find his birth in Stockport he is from Manchester, but found his death now on ancestry in 1888, born about 1818/19 and two sisters Eliza born about 1811 and Caroline about 1815 all Manchester

Thank you

 
Jackie

[mottman]

I've been trying to do a friend's family tree for him.
His mother was  a Mott. So far I have been able to find the following.....any others belong to this tree ??

John Mott married Eleanor
(dates unknown)
child:
John Mott. b.1801 St. Leonards, Shoreditch
married Frances Burley

children:
William b. abt 1830 - St. Lukes, Middlesex
Frances b. abt 1832 - St. Lukes, Middlesex
Robert John b. Jul 1837 - Battersea
George b.May 1840 - Battersea
Louise b.abt 1842 - Battersea
Sarah b. abt 1842 - Battersea  (maybe same as Louise)
Mary b. abt 1845 - Battersea
Charles b. abt 1848 -

Robert John Mott (b. 1837) married Sarah Pearce (nee Gilbert)
in 1862  at St. John the Evangelist, Notting Hill

children:
Frances b. 1862 - Battersea
Alice b. abt 1864 - Battersea
Jane b. abt 1867 - Battersea
Robert John b. 1868 - Battersea
Edwin J b. abt 1871 - Battersea

Robert John Mott (b. 1868) married Elizabeth Woolhouse in 1891 at Wimbledon.
children:
Frederick Cecil b. 1894 - Merton, Surrey
Ida Edith b. abt 1899

Frederick Cecil Mott (b. 1894) married Ethel Horwood in 1917 at St. Mary's Church, Tothill Fields, Westminster

children:
Joan Iris  b. 1920 - Merton, Surrey
Stanlry b. abt 1917
Reginald b. abt 1923


Any help much appreciated

Thanks

mark


Hi Mark
Ref the MOTT family, there is a marriage recorded between a John MOTT and Eleanor CROW in London on 01 Jan 1800. This is found in the London Marriage Licences 1521 to 1869 held by the SoG (Society of Genealogists) in London.
I'm not stating that this is the same John as in that tree, but possible?
As well as the John (baptised 17 Jan 1802 in St.Leonards, Shoreditch
there was William(1806);Thomas(1809);Esther(1814) and possibly Catherine(1815)?
Regarding the issue of John & Frances (Burley), I have no record of Frances(1832) and Louise(1842) to them? Of the others, Robert John 1837 was baptised with brother George 10 Oct 1840. I'm wondering if George was the same guy that wed Lucy Hill 04 March 1866 in Putney? Their last child, Charles, in the 1881 census, was "Aged 33 yrs. An upholsterer." Married to Elizabeth, who was 32 yrs. Their address in the census was The Shop, Wandwsorth (that should be easy to find !!!)
Jane 1866, daughter of Robert John & Sarah (1866 Sep qtr ), is found in the 1881 census as "Aged 14 yrs. Servant". Living at 325 High Street, Chatham, in the h/hold of family Webb. You give their last born child as Edwin J - I think you will find that he was Edwin Gilbert, 1871 March qtr. He died 1872 March qtr 1d.386 Wandsworth.
Do you have any info on the possible grandchildren from  Frederick Cecil's issue? By the way, the birth details for them are:
Stanley F 1918 Dec qtr 2a.504 Crotdon
Joan Iris 1921 March qtr 2a 671 Croydon
Reginald R 1925 June qtr 2a.685 Croydon
Fred

[msv]

Fred,

Im going to visit the child of Joan Iris Mott this weekend, I'll ask him for details.

Thanks for replying


regards

mark