THE MARRIAGESFrancis Charles' Birth certificate shows his mum as Patti (formerly Hickman),which I'm told is another name for Martha!!!
Thanks to people on here and GR I know where Patti was in 1851.1861 and 1871.
Though in 1871 she is Patti BRYAN-with a husband called George
FC Byrons birth+marriage certs list his dad as Charles!!!!
I think it may yet be solved if you could just find the marriages to knit it all together.
ANYWAY,back to Walter-I think Francis's mum 'married' Thomas Adams
although there are no records of it.In 1891 though,they are living in Stockport with a son called Walter-though his last name is Adams,he is the right age.
Francis was in Salford in 1901,The Adams's were nearby.
As it is, the story is difficult to grasp with just a quick glance at the above.
(Although genius Heywood seems to have managed!!)
I hoped to find Martha Hicmans marriage to a Byron but have found none.I can't find her marriage to Thomas Adams either to connect her,Francis and Walter.
Any suggestions anyone?
Martha Hickman-if she is Martha Byron/Bryan/Adams was born 1848/9
Why don't you clearly list the necessary marriages needed and the time frames, and then someone may come up with something.I have the British Vital Records Index. There may (or unfortunately, probably won't!) be something there that matches. The good thing about it is that it brings up good alternative spellings.
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LITTLE WALTERI think I've just found Walter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I looked on ancestry for Martha Hickman's mum in 1881,and she was with one of her other daughters,who had a nephew called.........Walter Hickman age 6!!!
There is another Walter Hickman "grandson" born in the Dudley Union workhouse! This one is 7 years old!!
Born in Dudley Union would suggest a single mother and may explain a change of name in later life.
Since I found the other Walter Hickman born in Dudley Union, probably with no father's name, it may be difficult to know which is which when you send off for the certificate- or rather, after you receive the certificate
Or have I seriously lost the plot here?And does the whole theory hinge on the assumption that the names "
Pattie" and "
Martha" are interchangeable?
Is that really true, or did someone else come up with that to make the pieces fit?
What about Pattie simply being short for Patience?
There is a Patience Hickman who married a William Hickman in 1874.
Can she be squeezed into the picture somewhere? At the very least it is evidence that the name "Patience" was used in the family.
Yes, I know, I should just probably just stay quiet
Oh well.......... just trying to remove alternative theories to help you get the pieces in their correct place
Looking forward to reading the plot in chronological order, so that we simpletons can grasp it
UKgirl
PS. I have just checked the genealogy.about.com site and its discussion of nicknames.
Abbreviations for Martha: Marty; Matie; Mattie
Abbreviations for Martha & Matilda & Patricia & Patience: Pat; Patsy; Patty; Pattie
But as you look down the list from A to Z, it is really so very rare for a nickname to share nothing with its longer version. In 99% of cases listed, either:
starting letter is the same
the first 1/2 of the name is somehow used
the second 1/2 of the name is somehow used
there is a common syllable to both
The exceptions, such as "Daisy for Margaret" (but that's not an exception if you think of the 2 flowers' names (daisy & marguerite)) or "Polly for Mary" are really the exceptions.
And although "Pattie for Martha" is on the list, in a story like this where nothing actually fits smoothly, and everything depends on this nickname, I think I would be very dubious.
Now, on the other hand,
if everything else fitted except for the name, then I think that I would run with it.
