Help Finding Walter Byron

[Andy001]

I found my Gt Grandad,Walter Byron on the 1901 census,living at Portugal st, Manchester RG13/3740 with his wife Mary ann,her daughter Catherine Clancy,and their children Francis Charles Byron,Walter Byron and Ethel Byron.
 His birthplace was Birmingham and he was born around 1874.
I've also got his marriage certificate from 1896-also in Manchester,where his father is named as William Byron a tailor (his age also puts his birth year as circa 1874)
I can find no trace of him anywhere else-he isn't on the GRO birth indexes and I can't find him on the 1881 or 1891 census either.

Can anyone help?
Thanks,Andrea

[heywood]

Hi Andrea,
there does seem to be a mystery here.
1) 1881 census has a Thomas H (should be A- Allchurch) Adams and Martha Adams in Salford with their children including 'son' Francis C Byrom (note m not n) born Birmingham - see RG11 Piece / Folio 3969 / 112 Page Number 30 - a coincidence!
2) This Francis C Byron (n) is in free BMD- 1870 births Francis Charles Byron, Birmingham vol.6d pg 95 but I can't find him in 1871 census.
3) In 1891 census this Francis is a french polisher in lodgings. He disappears in 1901 but your Walter is a joiner (I think) and strangely enough so is Thomas.
4)  Thomas and Martha Shaw are from Dudley area and were married 1870 (freee BMD)
The Adams do not seem to have an obvious connection to Francis or Walter! The 1881 has 'son' but it is scribbled over- it may have said daughter because of Francis/es.
Lastly, if you search Francis Byron/m in Family Search  - it is quite a popular name in Dudley albeit not at the time you are interested in.
All this may be entirely coincidental. I have also looked for WIlliam Byron - to no avail as yet.
best wishes
Heywood

[UKgirl]

 Hello Andrea,

I have found a candidate, but it really is difficult to read the name in 1881 & in 1891.

You could convince yourself that it says Byron- or that it doesn't say Byron. Do you have access to the images themselves?

Further detailed research may prove it one way or another!

1881
RG 11/ Piece 2982/ Folio 23

Civil parish: Birmingham
County: Warwickshire

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Martin

transcribed as Byrnes

Head: John Conley, 68, General labourer, born Ireland
Son-in-law: William Byron (?) 37, House Painter, Born Birmingham
Wife: Anne Byron, 32, Born Ireland
Children:
Maria 12
Kate 10
William 8
Annie 5
Walter 2
George 4 months
......................................................................................................
1891-same family, but only siblings ( )

RG 12/ Piece 2353/ Folio 102

Civil parish: Kings Norton
County: Worcestershire

Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration District: Kings Norton

transcribed as Bynner

Head: William Byron (?) aged 18, Wood worker, born Birmingham
Sister: Maria 22, Housekeeper
Sister: Kate 20, French polisher
Sister: Annie 15, French polisher
..........................................................................................................

I hope that these people turn out to be the right folks.
There seem to be some candidates for the second marriage of Anne Byron.

Perhaps she is living with the 2 youngest children under her new married name.

It's a pity that the father William is not a tailor, and Walter is a little younger than you were expecting.

But perhaps the best bet yet!

UKgirl

[UKgirl]

Strangely enough, there seem to be a pair of missing Byrons at some sort of home/school in London.

The missing Walter & George Byron

Heavens knows whether the Walter that I have found is yours or not, but I think that these 2 boys are definitely the missing siblings of Kate & Maria etc.

RG 12/ Piece 1120/ Folio 90

Civil parish: Watford
County: Hertfordshire

Registration district: Watford
Sub-registration district: Watford

St. Pancras School

clearly transcribed as Byron

George Byron 10 (or 11?) inmate
Walter Byron 12 inmate

Birthplace is just London Pancras "ditto" for whole page- probably not correct for any of the children.

Perhaps it is a school/home for orphans?

Perhaps both parents are dead

Just a thought, but if his parents died when he was young, perhaps the father's occupation that he put on his marriage certificate is not actually correct.

Ukgirl

[Andy001]

Thanks for those,UKgirl and Heywood.
Firstly,UKgirl those Byrnes were one of my first findings-and still in my folder of Possibles! I only had them 1881 though,Thanks.
Secondly,Heywood-Exactly what I have come up with!!!! I was hoping that if someone didn't find a very obvious Walter,they would find Francis Charles without me mentioning him!!
I don't think Thomas Allchurch Adams married Martha Shaw in 1870,but Mary Ann Lloyd-the other on the page.I found him on 1871 married to a Mary ann,living in Dudley wood.

Francis Charles' Birth certificate shows his mum as Patti (formerly Hickman),which I'm told is another name for Martha!!!
Thanks to people on here and GR I know where Patti was in 1851.1861 and 1871.
Though in 1871 she is Patti BRYAN-with a husband called George
FC Byrons birth+marriage certs list his dad as Charles!!!!

ANYWAY,back to Walter-I think Francis's mum 'married' Thomas Adams
although there are no records of it.In 1891 though,they are living in Stockport with a son called Walter-though his last name is Adams,he is the right age.
Francis was in Salford in 1901,The Adams's were nearby.

I hoped to find Martha Hicmans marriage to a Byron but have found none.I can't find her marriage to Thomas Adams either to connect her,Francis and Walter.
Any suggestions anyone?

[Andy001]

Charles Byron's occupation on Francis's birth cert was 'Clothiers Salesman',he was just 'Salesman' on his wedding cert.

George 'Bryan' was a Woolen Draper on 1871

Walter was a joiner,/labourer,his wifes dad really was a tailor,maybe he lied.

[UKgirl]

Regarding St. Pancras school:

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/

choose from left panel:

English Poor Law Unions

then:

London: Middlesex

then:

St. Pancras
........................

The information says that in 1868, the St. Pancras Guardians embarked on the erection of a new industrial school for pauper children in the parish. They acquired a 38-acre site in a rural location at LEAVESDEN to the north of Abbots Langley.

And there is an 1895 map showing it. And a 1905 photo of it. Looks pretty spendid, to me

There were 678 children.

And you'll be pleased to know that by 1896, at least, talking was freely encouraged You'll be further relieved to know that "Any child still hungry at the end of a meal could raise their hand for extra bread"

There were swimming lessons with a "drillmaster" and the "elder boys were allowed to go picnicking in Bricket Woods"  (I wonder what mischief they got up to there )

All fascinating stuff. Could do with a holiday there, myself!!

I wonder if there are any vacancies??

Ukgirl

[heywood]

At least some bits are being tied together! I have found similar things with occupations- I suppose if you don't know your dad or they're dead - what does it matter what the occupation is- they perhaps thought along those  lines!
It is complicated though isn't it - I had to read the explanations a couple of times -and am still a bit puzzled- Martha must have been very young when she had Francis- is that right- then 'married' Thomas?

[heywood]

Don't worry- it's becoming clearer now!! She would not have been that young!