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Re: The world-famous SNOOKs of Lymington
« Reply #99 on: Friday 21 July 06 19:18 BST (UK) »
I don't think you missed much while you were away - it's been too hot recently...

I reckon Elizabeth Jane Snook (b.Bucklers Hard 1857) is the mother of Alderman WJW Broomfield who plays a significant part in the life of our Snook family around the turn of the century. I'd thought, though, that her father was Walter, not William. Are you sure it's William?

By the way, I've been in touch with Jude James - he was able to give me some insights on interpreting the Comyn/Shrubb survey, but had no more information on the Snooks.

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Re: The world-famous SNOOKs of Lymington
« Reply #100 on: Friday 12 October 07 03:41 BST (UK) »
Just breathing some life into this thread:  seems a pity to let it die!

Has anyone yet discovered the identity of the SNOOK who married Mary FIELDER [nee HARRIS] of Beaulieu Rails, and which of the children listed with her in Comyn's 1817 were SNOOKs?

William Feb 1798 and Betsey June 1803 were recorded children of Edward FIELDER/Mary in the Beaulieu PRs at baptism.

The following two FIELDERs appear with John FIELDER & Mary [nee WHITE] in Comyn's but are attributed with other paternity in the Beaulieu Baptisms PR No. 4:
Benjamin 1790 son of Charles FIELDER/Mary
Anne White 1793 dau of George FIELDER/Mary

Also, is it feasible that the 'Zipporah' FIELDER who supposedly caused the controversy on the Boldre/Beaulieu boundary was the Zeborah FIELDER aged 77 buried Beaulieu 04 Aug 1805?
SOM/Chard/Combe St Nicholas/Ilminster:  Dean[e]/Doble/Jeffery/Burt;  DEV/Yarcombe:  Dean/Gill/Every; 
BRK/Newbury:  Westall/Green/Lewis/Canning;  WIL/Allcannings:  Hiscock/Amor;  Froxfield:  Hobbs/Green;  HAM/Kingsclere:  Martin/Hiscock/Westall;  WAR/Marton/Bubbenhall:  Glenn/Holmes;  STS/Yoxall/Hamstall Ridware/Barton-u-Needwood:  Holmes/Dainty;  STS/Brewood/Codsall/Penkridge/Hatherton:  Dean[e]; GLA/Aberdare:  Dean/Dane

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Re: The world-famous SNOOKs of Lymington
« Reply #101 on: Friday 12 October 07 08:46 BST (UK) »
Dee-Jay,
Thanks for the breath of life! Though it's also a spanner in the works! But such is the nature of this hobby...

1. I'm still thinking that Mary Harris/Fielder/White married GEORGE Snook. This is pure guesswork based on Footnote 12 of Jude James's book about the squatters.
2. I hadn't suspected that William (b 1798) might be a Fielder who was "adopted" by Mary's new husband. But it looks as though that might be what happened. Thus George Snook (if it be he) is probably not in the bloodline at all and I should be branching out into the Fielder family instead. What more, if anything, do we know about Edward Fielder and Mary White and their ancestors?
3. I can't find any information about the "Harris" phase of Mary Snook's past life. It looks as though she might have started out as a White, then consumed several husbands (Fielder, Harris, Snook). Any more details in the registers?
4. The Zipporah/Zeborah link doesn't look right to me, despite the unusual nature of the name. Our Zipporah was born in 1789, so she was going some to have reached the ripe old age of 77 by 1805! I guess she could have been a grandmother or great-grandmother after whom the child was named? More work needed on the Fielder family, methinks...

If you've access to the Beaulieu/Boldre registers, then please see what else you can find for me on this topic. Because the Snook line had dried up completely.


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Re: The world-famous SNOOKs of Lymington
« Reply #102 on: Friday 12 October 07 10:39 BST (UK) »

I think the Zeborah you mention looks the right age to have mothered Edward and his siblings. She would have been born c1728 and Edward would have been born c1756 or 1764 if he died as you have said at age 50 or 58 in 1814

I see in the on line deaths for Beaulieu that a Fielder of unknown forename was buried 1 Aug, 1785. It was possibly Zeborah's spouse.

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Lancashire and Cheshire: Harding, Turner, Gandy, Rigby, Bancroft, Moorcroft, Wright
Wiltshire: Webb, Hayter, Mussell, Curtice, Sheppard
Hampshire: Harper, Rawlings
Ireland: Revels, Qua, Alexander, Clegg
Bucks, Northants, Derby, Leicester and Cheshire: Spokes, Glover, Sturgess, Attewell, Whiting, Lester, Hall


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Re: The world-famous SNOOKs of Lymington
« Reply #103 on: Friday 12 October 07 10:48 BST (UK) »
Am I missing a link here somewhere? Where do we learn that Edward Fielder died in 1814 aged 50 or 58?

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Re: The world-famous SNOOKs of Lymington
« Reply #104 on: Friday 12 October 07 11:05 BST (UK) »

Hi B.E.

There is another thread which includes some of the Snook information and dee-jay was kind enough to add that little snippet yesterday.

As a computer dummy I have yet to learn how to link topics but hope this will help you read the information.

    www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=147913.new;topicseen#new

By the way. I hope the birthday party was a roaring success.

Beth
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Lancashire and Cheshire: Harding, Turner, Gandy, Rigby, Bancroft, Moorcroft, Wright
Wiltshire: Webb, Hayter, Mussell, Curtice, Sheppard
Hampshire: Harper, Rawlings
Ireland: Revels, Qua, Alexander, Clegg
Bucks, Northants, Derby, Leicester and Cheshire: Spokes, Glover, Sturgess, Attewell, Whiting, Lester, Hall

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Re: The world-famous SNOOKs of Lymington
« Reply #105 on: Friday 12 October 07 11:48 BST (UK) »
Hi folks

I only discovered Comyn's for myself yesterday so I've a bit of work to do to validate some of his claims.  I'm hoping he was correcting errors in the PRs but I do question a 12-years old child's ability to cause a boundary dispute?  Most other disputes I've encountered were either instigated or resolved by those of a grand age, but I'll reserve judgment until I've had a chance to study the case.

I love mysteries and knocking down brickwalls, sometimes in the process re-writing history, so although I'm undertaking voluntary research on the origins of the FIELDER Shipwrights, I'll keep you abreast of any SNOOK developments.

Beaulieu Burials PR extract:
No 391 06 Jul 1828 Mary SNOOK  66 of Lymington


 
SOM/Chard/Combe St Nicholas/Ilminster:  Dean[e]/Doble/Jeffery/Burt;  DEV/Yarcombe:  Dean/Gill/Every; 
BRK/Newbury:  Westall/Green/Lewis/Canning;  WIL/Allcannings:  Hiscock/Amor;  Froxfield:  Hobbs/Green;  HAM/Kingsclere:  Martin/Hiscock/Westall;  WAR/Marton/Bubbenhall:  Glenn/Holmes;  STS/Yoxall/Hamstall Ridware/Barton-u-Needwood:  Holmes/Dainty;  STS/Brewood/Codsall/Penkridge/Hatherton:  Dean[e]; GLA/Aberdare:  Dean/Dane

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Re: The world-famous SNOOKs of Lymington
« Reply #106 on: Friday 12 October 07 12:53 BST (UK) »
OK. Thanks for that. I can now see the connection to the Rawlins thread.

I got the impression pretty early on that Comyn wasn't anything like 100% reliable, but it's still a good resource. I'm also interested in demolishing brickwalls, many of which were actually erected by living family members unable to distinguish between folklore and fact!

So, just one or two checks:
1. Are we agreed that Mary Fielder wasn't actually "nee Harris" but "formerly Harris, nee White"?
2. Are we positing Mary Snook d.1828 as she who was born Mary White? I don't think I have a DOB for Mary White.

Oh, and the birthday party was fine, thanks - the old bat has had another birthday since then and is still going strong!

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Re: The world-famous SNOOKs of Lymington
« Reply #107 on: Friday 12 October 07 13:16 BST (UK) »
I'll stick to reporting the facts and leave you to conjecture until I'm more assured on this new, for me, area of research!  ;D

BEAULIEU MARRIAGES
 
No 105 19 Jun 1786
Edward FIELDER (sgd) Widower otp
Mary HARRIS (x) Spinster otp
Witnesses:  John FIELDER (sgd);  Wm PAYN (sgd)
 
No 106 03 Aug 1786
John FIELDER (sgd) otp
Mary WHITE (sgd) otp
Witnesses:  Frances KEALY[?] (sgd);  Christr WESTBROOK (sgd)
SOM/Chard/Combe St Nicholas/Ilminster:  Dean[e]/Doble/Jeffery/Burt;  DEV/Yarcombe:  Dean/Gill/Every; 
BRK/Newbury:  Westall/Green/Lewis/Canning;  WIL/Allcannings:  Hiscock/Amor;  Froxfield:  Hobbs/Green;  HAM/Kingsclere:  Martin/Hiscock/Westall;  WAR/Marton/Bubbenhall:  Glenn/Holmes;  STS/Yoxall/Hamstall Ridware/Barton-u-Needwood:  Holmes/Dainty;  STS/Brewood/Codsall/Penkridge/Hatherton:  Dean[e]; GLA/Aberdare:  Dean/Dane

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