The world-famous SNOOKs of Lymington

[bearkat]

There are 117 entries for the name SNOOK on the Hampshire CALM database

http://calm.hants.gov.uk/DServeA/search.htm

Should be worth a look.

bearkat

[B.E.]

Bearkat,
Thanks for the hint. At first glance there's nothing stands out, but I'll take a closer look when I have a bit more time. I like the photo of the film extras towards the end of the list though!

You don't have anything on your Comyn/Shrubb survey that gives us a connection between the squatters and Walter Snook of Bucklers Hard (born 1820's?), do you?
Cheers,
Brian

[Daisypetal]

Hello everyone,

and thanks Nell  .

It was just a theory, and I thought you liked myths and legends Brian .

I didn't realise you had found the birth of Elizabeth Jane in 1857, and somewhere amongst all these pages and people I missed the probable marriage of Elizabeth Ann and William THOMAS in 1874, by the way why is he William of Penarth?

I also hadn't seen the 1881 census, (below in case others haven't seen it) which shows the son-in-law William THOMAS as being born in Pembury, Wales.

1881 census RG11/1189 f.103 p.31

Henry SNOOK     Head Wid   57    Ship-smith            Hants Beaulieu
Annie SNOOK     Daur  Unm  25    Housekeeper Dom    "  "  Lymington
Walter  "  "        Son   Unm  20    Mariner                  "  "      "  "
Emily    "  "        Daur  Unm  18    Dressmaker             "  "      "  "
William THOMAS Son-in-law  Mar  34  Master Mariner  South Wales Pembury


Now knowing William THOMAS is from Wales I have found a possible match for him in the 1891 census.

RG12/921 f.69 (no page number), Vessels, Southampton

Vesssel named C.H.S ?

William THOMAS  widower 44  Master  Pembrey Carmarthenshire
(with other crew)


As he is a widower it would explain why we can't find Elizabeth Ann THOMAS/SNOOK in 1891, but I think I have found her in 1881 

1881 Wales census, RG11/5377 f.12 p.18 Pembrey, Carmarthenshire 

3 Sandfield Terr.

Elizabeth THOMAS  Head  Mar  32  Master Mariners Wife  Hants Southampton
Charlotte    "  "      Daur         10  Scholar                    Hants Lymington
Elizabeth A  "  "     Daur           2                                Carmarthen Pembrey
Elizabeth DAVIES  Visitor          9  Scholar                       "  "        "  "

As she has a daughter Charlotte who would have been born 1871, before the marriage of William and Elizabeth, she could be the questioned 'daughter' of the 1871 census (reply 3). It could also explain why the Charlotte SNOOK 1890 marriage (reply 14) took place in Llanelly, as that registration district includes Pembrey.

Daisy

[B.E.]

Daisy,
Yup, I'm your myths and legends man, all right - but your latest findings seem boringly solid!

My mistake re. Penarth - sorry, I meant Pembury/Pembrey.

So Elizabeth was in Pembury on census night 1881 while her husband was in Lymington? It's got to be them, but I can't guess why they did the swapsie. And, yes, it does look as though she must have died before 1891, leaving her illegitimate daughter Charlotte to marry Louis Thomas. Whether or not Louis was a relation of William we still don't know.

Nice work! Thanks!
Cheers,
Brian

[bearkat]

Sorry, I don't think I have anything on Walter SNOOK of Buckler's Hard.

The photogragh is wonderful - I wonder if AmyK has seen it?  She is researching KITCHERS.

[Daisypetal]

Hi Brian,

Did you ever get the Marriage certificate of Walter BROOMFIELD and Priscilla BRIGHT?

If not I may have another myth/legend for you:)

Regards
Daisy

[B.E.]

Daisy,
What? Spend money - when they weren't even family??

No, I'm perfectly happy with their part of the story without any actual documentation in my mitts, though I still don't know why they were apparently so close to the Snooks.

But don't tease me by withholding myths and legends! What've you got?
Cheers,
Brian

[Daisypetal]

OK here goes, but I think this may be a really looooong shot

First what we think we know

1901 John BRIGHT b.1854 is the landlord at the Wheatsheaf Inn

1910 Priscilla BRIGHT marries Walter JW BROOMFIELD

1911 Priscilla BROOMFIELD is at the Wheatsheaf Inn

1952 Priscilla BROOMFIELD dies

Now much depends on whether she is the Priscilla BROOMFIELD who dies Sep Q 1952 New Forest v.6b p.260 age 82, if she is then she was born abt.1870

Now, bear with me 

In 1901 there is a Priscilla DOLPHIN who's single b.1870 Chipping Campden, Gloucestershire working as a servant in Milford, Hampshire.

In Sep Q 1903 Kensington v.1a p.509 a Priscilla DOLPHIN marries
other names on page,
John BRIGHT
Samuel Joseph ALLEN
Alice Gertrude H HARVEY

In 1907 a John BRIGHT dies age 54 Jun Q Lymington v.2b p.409

Now if that's the Wheatsheaf John and if he is the one who married Priscilla, she would now be the widow BRIGHT, Landlady of the Wheatsheaf Inn

The only Priscilla DOLPHIN I can see on the 1871,1881,1891 & 1901 is from Gloucestershire, although why they would have married in Kensington is beyond me

Maybe someone could find a Obit. for John BRIGHT, or maybe just this once you could buy the certificate of Walter & Priscilla   

Well there you go, I did warn you, someone will probable disprove this in 10 mins but I just couldn't resist it

Regards
Daisy

[B.E.]

Daisy,
Thanks for that - even if it does put the kyebosh on some of my own (unsubstantiated) theories!!

The John Bright who died in Lymington in 1907, aged 54, doesn't look as though he can have been either of the John Brights of Marylebone in the 1881 census. That doesn't bother me - it was always tenuous.

The 1952 death of Priscilla Broomfield, once of the Wheatsheaf, comes from the newspaper obituary of the Alderman. I'm not entirely sure where the official borders of "New Forest" are for registration purposes, but it certainly couldn't be too far from Lymington. If she were 82 at that point, then she was about 11 years older than her toyboy husband Walter and 40 when they married. The cutting said that Walter had died at the home of his son, but whether or not that was actually a stepson wasn't clear.

The existence of the Gloucestershire Priscilla Dolphin in the area is not implausible since she was already a servant down the road in Milford, though I agree that her getting wed in London is a bit of a mystery. What flies rather in the face of all this, however, is Nell's evidence that Mrs. Priscilla Armstrong was already at the Wheatsheaf in 1898. I think we now know she wasn't an Armstrong at the time, but does it seem likely that she was at the pub as Miss Dolphin in 1898, then a servant in Milford in 1901, then married and back at the pub as Mrs Bright in 1903??

What would you be hoping for from the Broomfield/Bright marriage certificate? I'd have expected the bride's address to be the Wheatsheaf either way, but are you thinking that she would have to have declared her original name (eg: Priscilla Bright, formerly Dolphin) and her status as widow rather than spinster?
Cheers,
Brian