1851/61/71 - Smith - Towcester

[Tati]

Come on, Anthony, put us out of our misery and ask for a christening look-up on the genuki site 

[wamwig]

Tanja

Now who is being optomistic!!

Did it about 10 minutes ago, I'm sure it will make everything crystal clear, not!!

Anthony

[Tati]

Anything wrong with being optimistic   

Tanja     

[wamwig]

Nothing at all

Except in the context of this topic its perhaps just a bit too much to ask! Still I suppose the truth must be out there, somewhere!

Anthony

[wamwig]

Hi all

Marilyn, you were right but it would appear finding the sex from the census would not have helped as Mary has answered a couple of points

Hi Anthony,

Just spent the last hour tracking your research through Rootschat! You have
certainly come a long way.

I think this is what you are looking for:

Towcester PR
1841
Sep 15th        Samuel John     illegitimate s Frances  Smith   Towcester

The 1841 Census reads:
Plankhouse      Joseph  Hart    25      Ag Lab          Born in County
                Ann             Hart    25      Lace Maker              Born
in County
                Emma            Hart    4                               Born
in County
                Mary Ann        Hart    1                               Born
in County
                Frances Smith   24      Servant         Born in County
                N. K (girl)     Smith   2 weeks                 Born in
County

I hadn't linked this supposedly female child up with the male baptism in the
PR.

Frances is on my site, baptised 10 Dec 1815. Although I'm afraid it doesn't
get you very far.

It is very common for illegitimate children to
a. Make up a father's name for their marriage certificate
b. Change their surname

and cases of bigamy are not unknown. I have two or three on the site - look
at Charles Peploe, John Gibbs born about March 1818 (not to mention his
first wife Elizabeth Wheeldon), and Betsy Salmon born about 1855

You should know that Plankhouse was slightly out of the town, and usually
inhabited by some of the poorest people in Towcester. Down by the
Silverstone Brook, it was in a part of town that would have flooded
regularly.

Hope this helps,

Mary

So, does that mean we are probably now looking for a Samuel John West for his first marriage, which might just be why it couldnt be found before!

Regards

Anthony

[Tati]

Speedy reply from Mary - great!!     

Now I have no idea if little Samuel John is the one registered as Samuel John West. I suppose he shouldn't be 


... and September would be a little late for registration too.

[wamwig]

Tanja

If I was a betting man I would say yes it is as it is the right time, baptised Sept 15th - registered Sept qtr, and the name is just too much of a coincidence! oh now I'm being optomistic. I'm just going to have to get that birth certificate!!

Regards

Anthony

[Tati]

But he was 2 weeks on 30 March   

Then again, I have looked through the complete indexes and couldn't find him. She may not have regisered him at all. 

I just know you are going to ask me 
I was hoping to find her married to a Mr West... well no. I can't find her in 1851.

[mgeneas]

But the 1841 census was taken in  June.

Marilyn