1851/61/71 - Smith - Towcester

[wamwig]

Arranroots

Remember the cert says he was a widower at this time so he will have had a previous marriage as well.

Also remember what started all this conjecture was Tanja found a John Smith born Towcester (born ca 1841) in 1881, married to an Emma and with children... By 1891, Emma is down as married but husband is not around...  and then also probably found him as a boarder in Northampton St Sepulchre in 1861 (Bootmaker). 

Anthony

[Arranroots]

OK I have decided I need to write this out!

Meanwhile - take this!!

RG9/939/36/9

Edward HALFORD H M 25 - beer house - Northam...
Emma W M 20 - do Mkt Harbro
Stephen son 3 - Northampton
Henry son 1 - do
William RICHARDSON boarder M 54 - moulder - Stourport Worcs
Henry KING do M 60 - do - ??

179 Bridge St, Northampton All Saints

Can't locate them in 1871

[Arranroots]

I remembered that Tanja found them in 1871, living as man & wife and with Charlotte A b 1866 and John C b 1869 both St Giles, Northampton.

Have you located these births yet on the indexes?  They might be registered as HALFORD, since Emma was either married to Edward or his widow at this point.

Arranroots 

[wamwig]

Hi Arranroots and all

I shall have to look later, sadly have to do some 'proper' work this afternoon, hopefully the other marriage cert may have arrived today, if so I will post details and a synopsis of what is known already to save looking back over the thread.

Regards

Anthony

[Tati]

if so I will post details and a synopsis of what is known already

That's great!! I see the blame is put on me  but I'm completely lost!   

[Arranroots]

I also think that would be a good idea - I seem to have Samuel married to two women at the same time!

I think we can discount the findings for the Spalding Samuel though.

I have just made several pages of notes, but they are not coherent enough to post!

A 

p.s. Tanja - the credit, not the blame!! 

[wamwig]

Hi all

Not got the other cert yet, but I have found a marriage for a Samuel Smith in Towcester, Mar qtr 1858, to a Lucy Davis, and wondered if this might be our mans first wedding? Can anyone find them in the 1861 census as that may help to identify the unknown children.

Many thanks

Anthony

[seahall]

Hi Anthony

Here they are from the 1861 Census
Rg9/925/1 Cold Higham  Pg 15 F.11 Sch 79

Samuel Smith Head Mar 35 Ag Lab Cold Higham
Lucey Wife Mar 32 Lace Maker Maidford
Mary Ann Daur 11 Lace Maker Cold Higham
John Son 9 Farmers Plough Boy Cold Higham
John Davis Son in Law 7 Grimscote
Joseph Smith Son 4 Cold Higham
Thomas Smith Son 9mo Cold Higham

Cheers Sandy

[seahall]

Hi Anthony

From Alan Clarkes' marriage indexes.

Cold Higham 15-Jan 1858
Samuel SMITH otp, widower, age 34, labourer, father John, labourer to
Lucy DAVIS of Grimscote, widow, age 29, father James Moore, labourer   

I will see if I can fiind the other marriages in a moment.

Cheers Sandy