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Re: 1851/61/71 - Smith - Towcester
« Reply #99 on: Tuesday 14 March 06 15:37 GMT (UK) »
Seeing your post ... he was plain WEST.

I guess we'd have to check complete death indexes too.

I can't see any Samuel John West in 1851.

There are plenty of John Smiths but the only one born Towcester is the one in the workhouse.

Still trying to figure out where the Smith comes from if little Sam John is your boy.

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Re: 1851/61/71 - Smith - Towcester
« Reply #100 on: Tuesday 14 March 06 15:42 GMT (UK) »
Have you had a look at genuki's Towcester page?

http://www.kellner.eclipse.co.uk/genuki/NTH/Towcester/

There's a very tempting lookup offer for parish registers...

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Re: 1851/61/71 - Smith - Towcester
« Reply #101 on: Tuesday 14 March 06 15:45 GMT (UK) »
Tanja

Thanks for that, no hadn't seen that one, will look tonight when I'm at home and have more time.

He's not making it easy for us is he.

Dont suppose you can find Samuel John West in the 1851 census?

Anthony
Hertfordshire: Parker, Lovick, Smith, Slade, Chapman, Winters, Webb, George, Mapleton, Craft, Tottingham
London: Slade, Maloney, Oldfield
Norfolk: Lovick, Woor, Thurston, Twiddy, Osborn, Crisp
Suffolk: Lovick
Northants: Smith, West, Marriott
Cork: Maloney
Yorkshire: Oldfield

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Re: 1851/61/71 - Smith - Towcester
« Reply #102 on: Tuesday 14 March 06 16:00 GMT (UK) »
Well ... NO  >:(
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Re: 1851/61/71 - Smith - Towcester
« Reply #103 on: Tuesday 14 March 06 16:29 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, I thought I'd ask though, just wondered if we had been looking for the wrong person in 1851 and John Smith is the one in the workhouse and Samuel John West (later Smith) was elsewhere at the time?

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Hertfordshire: Parker, Lovick, Smith, Slade, Chapman, Winters, Webb, George, Mapleton, Craft, Tottingham
London: Slade, Maloney, Oldfield
Norfolk: Lovick, Woor, Thurston, Twiddy, Osborn, Crisp
Suffolk: Lovick
Northants: Smith, West, Marriott
Cork: Maloney
Yorkshire: Oldfield

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Re: 1851/61/71 - Smith - Towcester
« Reply #104 on: Tuesday 14 March 06 16:58 GMT (UK) »
I'd like to find an answer but I can't  :-\
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Re: 1851/61/71 - Smith - Towcester
« Reply #105 on: Tuesday 14 March 06 17:20 GMT (UK) »
I had a quick look to see whether there were any relevant marriages.

Either Samuel's mother was nee WEST or she remarried SMITH after Samuel was born.

Maybe.

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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: 1851/61/71 - Smith - Towcester
« Reply #106 on: Tuesday 14 March 06 17:23 GMT (UK) »
Tanja and Arranroots

Thanks, I was thinking that but on his wedding cert to Emma Halford it gives his father as Samuel West Smith, which seems to suggest not!, unless of course he was lying?

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Hertfordshire: Parker, Lovick, Smith, Slade, Chapman, Winters, Webb, George, Mapleton, Craft, Tottingham
London: Slade, Maloney, Oldfield
Norfolk: Lovick, Woor, Thurston, Twiddy, Osborn, Crisp
Suffolk: Lovick
Northants: Smith, West, Marriott
Cork: Maloney
Yorkshire: Oldfield

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Re: 1851/61/71 - Smith - Towcester
« Reply #107 on: Tuesday 14 March 06 18:43 GMT (UK) »
There is a chance that the 10 year old John Smith was in the workhouse in 1851 because he was born to a single Mum. Either she couldn't look after him because she had to work, or new hubby wouldn't have him.

In the 1841 census in Towcester (Alan Clarke's transcription) is

Park St, Towcester
in the household of William and Ann HART

Frances SMITH age 24 servant
N.K. (not yet named?) SMITH 2 weeks
all born in the county.

Perhaps someone could look at the original census to see if the infant is male or female.

If this is John, then possibly his father is a
Samuel WEST. or similar

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