1851/61/71 - Smith - Towcester

[Arranroots]

Bizarre!  He should be an upholsterer, cos the 1901 we found HAS to be right - same address!!

What do you think of this?

RG11/3204/46/4

SMITH William H M 74 - tailor & outfitter - Northamptonshire Marcy?
Sarah W M 69? - Lincolnshire Bourne
Samuel John W son U 40 - tailor asst - Spalding
Emma Jane dau U 25 - ditto

Address:  28 The Crescent, Spalding, Lincolnshire

A 

[wamwig]

Arranroots

He may have changed jobs of course although the way this is going I dont find anything bizarre any more. That other family looks interesting, which census is that from? There cant be that many Samuel John W Smith's around surely! Not being able to find a suitable Kate or Catherine Marriot just adds to the intrigue as well, of course if the original theory is correct that could possibly not have been her maiden name either. Oh well probably wont know much more until the other certs arrive.

Regards

Anthony

[Arranroots]

RG11 = 1881 census

I should think tailoring skills would come in useful in upholstery, but as I think we mentioned before you usually have to serve an apprenticeship to become a shoemaker (or a tailor for that matter)

Will have a look at this chap in earlier censuses & later - bear with me

A 

[Arranroots]

There is a death

Samuel J W SMITH

Peterborough

Vol 3b  Page 147

Dec 1887 aged 45

Could be the same man.

[wamwig]

Arranroots

Looks possible, I guess until I get the two wedding certificates its all pretty much conjecture and even then it may not be conclusive, although the original theory still looks good.

Anthony

[wamwig]

Hi all

Not got the certificates yet (of course) howver I have just been talking to my mother who said that when one of my cousins was born, and was given his mothers maiden name as a middle name, my gran (one of the Marriot Smiths) told her you shouldnt do that as thats only for those children born out of wedlock, perhaps not realising that was the reason for her own middle name. I'll be in touch again when I have digested the certificates.

Regards

Anthony

[Arranroots]

Hi Anthony

Using a family surname as a middle name is a very strong tradition in Scotland: almost all my family did it.

The only ones born out of wedlock that I have found so far didn't get their father's surname at all, just their mother's.

Interesting story none the less!

A 

[wamwig]

Hi all

One wedding certificate arrived today that of the Northampton Register Office wedding of Samuel John West Smith, a rivetter (widower aged 36), to Emma Halford, no profession, (widow aged 36), both living at 57 Exeter Street, Northampton. Fathers given as Samuel West Smith Deceased (I think), Draper, and Stephen ?(still trying to make it out), fitter at foundry. Witnesses given as Thomas Milliner and Mary Anne Addington (I think).

Well that at least explains why there are older children in the 1881 census, they are obviously from a previous marriage, question is which one? I shall also try to make out Emma's father's surname.

Just waiting for the the later one now.

Regards

Anthony

[Arranroots]

Hi again Anthony

You could try posting a portion of the cert on the Common Room board - we love having a go at reading illegible things!

Stephen is not such a common name though - it might be possible to identify the family with just a rough idea of the surname.


kind regards, Arranroots