1851/61/71 - Smith - Towcester

[liverpool annie]

Yes they're in Warwickshire!

1861

Samuel Smith    30   Head Towcester Northamptonshire
RG9/2226 Folio   70 Page   21

Annie 

[wamwig]

Anybody confused yet? 

[seahall]

Nearly  Anthony from the image Annie states 1861 St Nicholas Warwick
Sch 124 Packmoores

Samuel is a Paper Hanger aged 38 and Franc(i)s is 40 both from Towcester.

Children all born in London Frederick 15, Sarah 11, Louisa 7, Samuel 5, George 3.

So that ties up with the 1851 Census of them in Marylebone.

Cheers Sandy

[wamwig]

Sandy

Thanks for that, wonder if those five children ever knew anything about Samuel, guess we will never know. I will follow that one up later on the Warwick board probably.

Mary came back later with further information having found Frances baptism on 10 Dec 1815 with parents Samuel (again), a glazier, and Elizabeth Smith, living on the High Street.

Still short of Samuel's first wedding to Emma ? though, Alan Clark has looked and cant find anything in his records either, only thing we know is that Emma was born in Northampton so I would presume the wedding took place there?

Regards

Anthony

[Tati]

Also short of a Frances Smith - Samuel Smith marriage 

[Arranroots]

Boy!  That will teach me to have an early night!!

If (big IF) SJWS was not Samuel SMITHs son, he might well have objected to raising him & the child could well have been deposited in the workhouse.  This was not uncommon it seems.

I still think the Guardians Minute Books would be worth looking at - they are fascinating reading - is there no-one out there who could nip over to the Record Office?? Tempted to go myself it it wasn't so far!  It is quite possible that the Guardians would have funded the lying-in and associated charges for Samuel's mother when he was born, with the possibility that they named the father!

My sheet of paper is proving quite inadequate for all the info you now have, Anthony, I can only imagine how your head must be spinning!

A 

[seahall]

Hi All

Anthony re: Alan's indexes they go upto 1860 so marriage would not be on them
surely for Samuel and Emma?.

Sandy

[seahall]

Looking at Arranroots last post there may have been a bastardy bond with a
reputed father noted? for Samuel of 1840.

Sandy

[wamwig]

Hi all

Been away for the morning, have to do some work sometimes.

Tanja

And Samuels wedding to Kate after 1881, if he ever did of course.

Arranroots/Sandy

I think it was some good luck yesterday which helped to unlock this one, we were due some really  . Good idea about the workhouse records, I'm at least 50 miles away so if anybody else does find themselves there, please.......... and luckily I have lots of paper on which to make notes 

To help clear some of this up I have on order from the GRO birth certs for Samuel John West 1841, Charlotte A Smith 1866 and Frank Marriott Smith 1884, the last one may help to understand more about John and Kate's time in Braintree.

Regards

Anthony