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Heathfield non conformists
« on: Monday 13 February 06 20:05 GMT (UK) »
My family Robins and Burchetts lived in Warbleton and Punnetts Town. I think they were non conformists - the IGI lists my great, great grandfather's baptism as being in an Independent Non Conformist Chapel, Heathfield. I know there is a Wesleyan Chapel in Broad Oak, Heathfield and a Baptist Chapel in Turners Green, Warbleton. How do I find out if they were Methodists or Baptists? My great grandfather attended the Bethel Chapel in Rye which I think is Baptist. I don't know where any of my family are buried.

Thanks Kirsty

Iles - London, Bristol
Robins/Robbins - Warbleton, Heathfield, Cranbrook, Rye
Woodgate - Waldron, Rye
Ellis - Heathfield, Rye
Barham - Battle, Rye
Phipps - Iden, Rye
Milgate - Peasmarsh
Noakes - Ewhurst, Rye
Care - Rolvenden, Rye
Mepham - Punnets Town, Heathfield
Burchett - Punnets Town, Heathfield

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Re: Heathfield non conformists
« Reply #1 on: Friday 17 February 06 22:53 GMT (UK) »
Kirsty

Hi,

I think the Independent Non Conformist Chapel at Heathfield you refer to is Bretheren.  They are very similar to Baptists.  It is a large white chapel at Chapel Cross just before you enter Punnetts Town on the Heathfield to Hastings via Punnetts Town and Dallington road.

My family who also lived in the area were also non conformists and from what I can gather there were lots of very small chapels dotted around, as you say there was in Turners Green, there was also one at Earls Down where I believe some of my family went and also a chapel at Dallington.  There is also a Baptist Chapel at Broad Oak, still there today.

Someone will probably correct me but I think they were more likely to be baptists/brethren in that area because they seem more prevalent.  There aren't many Methodists around there.

Who knows perhaps our ancestors worshipped together!!

Kerry 
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Re: Heathfield non conformists
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 18 February 06 12:47 GMT (UK) »
Some of mine were probably in the congregation too!  I have baptisms at Broad Oak and Heathfield Independant,

I was waiting for someone to answer this post because I wasn't sure but thought they were Baptists.
I found on Genuki an extract from Kelly's Directory which says there was 'an Independant Chapel and a Baptist Chapel' at Heathfield

http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/SSX/Heathfield/index.php

so am really none the wiser  ???
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Re: Heathfield non conformists
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 18 February 06 17:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi again

I have just looked at the oldmaps.co.uk map for 1878 and the Turners Green chapel is labelled Baptist chapel (Calvinistic - which is a branch of Baptists) the one at Chapel Cross is labelled Congregational. The only chapel I can find at Broad Oak is an Ebenezer Chapel which is Particular Baptist (very strict and sometimes known as the Strict and Particular).

There was also a Methodist (Wesleyan) Chapel at Earls Down near Dallington.  So there were Methodists around despite what I thought!  Perhaps I should shut up!

Kerry
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Re: Heathfield non conformists
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 19 February 06 13:05 GMT (UK) »
Yes it's all very confusing. I think my Burchett line may have attended the large white chapel (Brethren?). My Woodgate line went to the Strict Baptist Ebenzer Chapel at Broad Oak. Not sure where my Robins line went but I think they were baptists. I think the records may be at the FRC? I think their lives were very wrapped up in chapel going so our ancestors would all have known each other well I should think!

Kirsty
Iles - London, Bristol
Robins/Robbins - Warbleton, Heathfield, Cranbrook, Rye
Woodgate - Waldron, Rye
Ellis - Heathfield, Rye
Barham - Battle, Rye
Phipps - Iden, Rye
Milgate - Peasmarsh
Noakes - Ewhurst, Rye
Care - Rolvenden, Rye
Mepham - Punnets Town, Heathfield
Burchett - Punnets Town, Heathfield

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Re: Heathfield non conformists
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 19 February 06 14:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi again

I asked my mum who was born and bred in Punnetts Town last night about Chapel Cross Chapel and she said it wasn't brethren, it was an independent Congregational which is yet another denomination similar to Baptists and Brethren. 

Kerry
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Re: Heathfield non conformists
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 19 February 06 14:31 GMT (UK) »
oh no what does it all mean??

All this religion in my family and I'm not even christened! What would my ancestors think? So I definitely don't understand all these different denominations. Need to read up on non conformism I think!

Kirsty
Iles - London, Bristol
Robins/Robbins - Warbleton, Heathfield, Cranbrook, Rye
Woodgate - Waldron, Rye
Ellis - Heathfield, Rye
Barham - Battle, Rye
Phipps - Iden, Rye
Milgate - Peasmarsh
Noakes - Ewhurst, Rye
Care - Rolvenden, Rye
Mepham - Punnets Town, Heathfield
Burchett - Punnets Town, Heathfield

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Re: Heathfield non conformists
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 19 February 06 17:57 GMT (UK) »
I read something in Mark Herbers Ancestral Trails earlier today, here goes.

The Baptist Movement split in the 17thC into the General Baptists and the Particular Baptists ( who beleived that only a chosen few and not all believers would achieve paradise).

Baptists recorded births of children and the baptism of adults, because they beleived that only believers should be baptised and only adults could make that decision.  Hmmm... Since Baptists baptised adults, and not children, you should take care in assesing the age of the baptised ancestor. Look for further evidence of age ie a baptism in an Anglican church or age at death or burial.

Most birth, baptism, death and burial registers were surrendered to the Registrar General and are held at the PRO (now National Archives, at Kew) in classes RG 4 and RG 8.  The copy registers are at the SoG

Entries in registers class RG 4 (but not RG 8 ) are in the IGI.  Few records survive before 1688.

After 1754 Baptists had to marry in Anglican churches and should be recorded in their registers.  Baptist marriages became legal again in 1837 if a civil registrar was in attendance.

Baptist burial grounds were opened in the late 18th and early 19thC and many burial registers are held at the PRO.  Some pre 1837 registers were not surrendered - these and post 1837 registers are held at CR offices, churches, archives of Baptist associations and Baptist Theological Colleges or at the following archives...

a)Regents Park College, Pusey Street, Oxford

b)The Strict Baptist Historical Society's Library, Dunstable Baptist Chapel, St Marys Gate, Dunstable, Beds

c)The Gospel Standard Baptist Library, 5 Hove Park Gardens, Hove, East Sussex.

Many other Baptist records are at local CR offices - some are held by the Baptist Historical Society - (there is a name and address but not sure if it's still relevant, will try to check)

Minutes of some Baptist assemblies survive from the 17thc, including the names of those attending. Much information on the movement but also about particular congregations. Church minute books deal with theology and doctrine but also membership, finance and charity.

Some include lists of members, where they lived and dates of members baptism's.  Donations may be recorded in minutes or accounts, some chapels provided charity for members and the minutes may record names and sums of money for donations and expenditure. Also recorded are disciplinary cases (many for drunkeness and fornication) that were heard by chapel meetings, proceedings often resulted in a persons expulsion from the congregation.

Many church minute books are held at a) and c) above.

Thats it -

Suey
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Re: Heathfield non conformists
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 18 March 07 08:41 GMT (UK) »
Robert Norden was one of the very early non-conformists.

NORDEN Robert Waldron 22 Jul 1690 house of R Norden registered for worship of Anabaptists Taken from a compilation of the Episcopal and Quarter SessionsRecords by the staff of the East and West Sussex Record Offices of houses which were registerd as places of worship for non conformist denominations

n 1714, Robert Norden of Warbleton, Sussex, England was sent to Virginia as a Baptist minister. 

Norden was the first Baptist minister sent to America.  His work is under reported but a great deal of the Baptist movement in the southern United States is a result of his family.

DNA research has linked up Nordens, Nordans, Nordins and Nortons as part of his family. 

Here is a study on the Nordens of Sussex.
http://www.nortonfamily.net/fluvanna-sussex.htm

Here is a study on the Norton line from his family in Virginia.
http://www.nortonfamily.net/fluvanna.htm

I am looking for more info on the Baptists of Sussex.

Scott Norton