1851 census WILLIAM NEWTON

[florence kate]

Jan, you have a point.  That's what I find so fascinating amongst other things - the detective work.

Will report further when I can.

Best wishes,

Florence Kate

[florence kate]

Jan,

It look as if it's a NO to the family being in Northants (just tried to check) OR Staffs in 1841.

I am beginning to wonder if they had already moved to Birmingham by 1841.  (I know that doesn't really make sense because of the births of daughters in Staffs in the forties, but what else can you think/do??)

Will try to find out!

Florence K

[janan]

It is possible all the daughter's born in Staffs are Ellen's if we are looking at a second marriage. I can check Birmingham in 1841. I suppose William could be anywhere working on the railways though.
Jan

[janan]

Not really sure about this one but posting for you to mull over - it would involve William not being married to Elizabeth's mother. I'm wondering about it mainly because I'm sure I saw a Mary Newton born Northants in 1851 when I was looking for Elizabeth - will see if I can find her again.
Jan

Newhall  Hill, Birmingham
Wm Newton 21  L
Elizabeth Bowman 30
Elizabeth do 3
Mary do 1
All born out of county
HO107/1139/1 Pg2

[janan]

1851
Watford, Northants
Mary Newton Relative Unm 14 Visitor Murcott, Long Buckby
in household of
John Fox Head 37 Ag Lab Crick Northants
Elizth do Wife 34 Watford do
Jane do daur 7 scholar do do
John do son 5 do do do
Ellen do daur 8mnths do do
Ann do do do do do do
Elizabeth Newton Motherinlaw 68 Barby do
HO107/1741 pg15

Not sure if this just makes things more confusing
Jan

[florence kate]

Hi, Jan,

This is par for the course.  You think you're getting there real fast, and then you begin to wonder!!!!

I suppose the fact that I had seen Elizabeth's baptism at Whilton in 1836, with William and Helen given as parents, meant  it didn't worry me unduly that the "wife" in 51 and 61 was given as "Ellen" and not "Helen", because the names are often confused/interchangeable.

It didn't really strike me that it might be two completely different people.  I shall need a while to contemplate your latest offerings!

Persevere, I'm grateful you are interested in getting to the bottom of this...    Thanks.

Florence

[janan]

Hope you sort things out.
Cheers Jan

[florence kate]

I have just added elsewhere, after all this time, and will do so here too, that I am wondering whether an entry in the 1841 census under BURTON should in fact read Newton.  The original is so faint you just cannot be sure.

Burton  William   30         Boats....... 
Burton Ellen       25          .....................    Staffordshire
Burton Elizabeth   6       
Burton Lucy     1 month                            Staffordshire

the address is Wharf Street, Stoke upon Trent, Shelton.

If this is the family I was looking for, it takes away the queries about was this the second marriage for Ellen etc, and makes things look far more straightforward.   The fact that William and Elizabeth were not born in Staffs fits in too, since I know they were both born in Northants.

Florence Kate

[janan]

Hi Florence Kate

I thought I'd have a squint at the entry for you but can't find it What are the reference numbers please?

Jan

Found them

I don't think it's Burton - comparing the first letter of surname with Boatman. I would say Newton is a high possiblity but can't find another definite N to confirm - certainly looks like ewton and I don't know of another surname ending that way. I reckon you have found them after all this time