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Re: Edlins in Leics.
« Reply #72 on: Friday 24 March 06 21:15 GMT (UK) »
Sorry David,
you're not being thick, the site is a bit difficult to find thingsand I should have been more exact..
Try: www.electricscotland.com/webclans/m/menzies.pdf
the bit re the coa is on page 23

I also think the bit about Adeliza of Louvain is incorrect, I have got all the d'albini s and d'aubigny s mixed up though there may be a connection.

The William d'Albini is actually a grandson of William "the briton" d'Aubigny, by his marriage to Maud de St Liz. William "The Briton" d'Aubigny was born @ 1128 at Belvoir. In turn his parents were William Princera d'Aubigny and Cecily de Bigod of Belvoir.

Bigod is still around as a name I believe.

I am not quite sure how I got onto all this and whether it serves to prove a connection to George Edlin but it has been interesting nonetheless!

Best wishes Heather

PS wonder if David Cameron has any Edlins on his tree?
Leics: Edlin, Isam, Wright, Wesson
Notts: Smith, Hughes.
Lancs: Dobbin, Rowlinson, Marr, Povall, Hall, Halliwell
Berks/ Sussex: Dearlove, Carter, Marchant.
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Re: Edlins in Leics.
« Reply #73 on: Friday 24 March 06 22:37 GMT (UK) »
If I am reading your link correctly then the current Rutland Arms are the old French (Fleur de Lis) and old English (lions) quartered over the Menzies gold and blue stripes.

The crest seems from other sources to be a peacock.

If that is correct then the derivation of the shield is clear and we are not going to find anything interesting there.  I don't know anything about origin of the peacock crest but again I don't see any connection.

I think we should abandon the idea of any family connection and just try to find out about the battle of Waterloo painting and which ancestor is actually in it.  Also which Edlins actually worked at Belvoir. 

It might also be interesting to look for any Edlins around Haddon Hall in Derbyshire (if I have the right place).

What I do find interesting about the arms is that it is possible to derive the Menzies and Royal connection from them.  By looking back at the royal arms it is probably possible to confirm when that marriage took place.

Another red herring

http://www.rutlandarmsbakewell.com/history.htm

It seems that Rutland Arms' cook invented the Bakewell Tart.

David

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DETAILS OF MY NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse, Stevens, Batchelor
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Re: Edlins in Leics.
« Reply #74 on: Sunday 02 April 06 14:58 BST (UK) »
Hello everyone,
Have sent you all an e-mail with some marriages on.
Haven't looked at that link for the Bakewell Tart yet. Have had a look around Haddon but not unearthed any Edlins except in Derby in the 1791 Universal British Directory there was a Mrs Edlins Academy for Young Ladies.!
Best wishes Heather
Leics: Edlin, Isam, Wright, Wesson
Notts: Smith, Hughes.
Lancs: Dobbin, Rowlinson, Marr, Povall, Hall, Halliwell
Berks/ Sussex: Dearlove, Carter, Marchant.
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Re: Edlins in Leics.
« Reply #75 on: Tuesday 04 April 06 13:18 BST (UK) »
Hello

Have come across a very interesting site for Edlins in USA.

www.home.houston.rr.com

Has connections to the Middlesex ones.

There is the crest there with the swans as well so I now  know where "suspice" fits in but would welcome enlightenment on where "behind the frogs" originates.

Best wishes
Heather

Leics: Edlin, Isam, Wright, Wesson
Notts: Smith, Hughes.
Lancs: Dobbin, Rowlinson, Marr, Povall, Hall, Halliwell
Berks/ Sussex: Dearlove, Carter, Marchant.
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Re: Edlins in Leics.
« Reply #76 on: Tuesday 04 April 06 14:15 BST (UK) »
I am not quite sure in which bit of my origin you are interested.  My Edlin connection is through my wife's descent from the Ickenham Edlins.  The Maryland family of Edelens seemed to live in two places, often at the same time.  They were the city of London and the Harrow and Ruislip area of Middlesex.  Ickenham is just down the road from Ruislip but I currently have a gap of about 100 years back from 1765.

If you are looking at a reason for the my choice of handle it is obvious to anyone who knows where I live and so lets them identify me.  Alternatively. I could explain that the coat of arms attributed to Satan is three frogs on a red shield. That at least gives you an idea how many frogs are involved. 

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DETAILS OF MY NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse, Stevens, Batchelor
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Re: Edlins in Leics.
« Reply #77 on: Tuesday 04 April 06 14:48 BST (UK) »
The link which MIDMUM provided should be:

http://home.houston.rr.com

that is without the www.

It is interesting how much of Crolian Edelen's material appears on Edelen link from that site.  For example the coat of arms on this post came directly from him but is replicated on that site.

The nice thing about the link is that it doesn't attempt to recount the story back in England any further generations back.  Most USA sites get that story very wrong.

David
Living in Berkshire from Northampton & Milton Keynes
DETAILS OF MY NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse, Stevens, Batchelor
Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Edlins in Leics.
« Reply #78 on: Tuesday 04 April 06 21:04 BST (UK) »
Oops, sorry, you will all now realise that I am not very computer literate but my talents lie in other areas!
It was your handle I was referring to and I am still none the wiser yet according to my professional title I should be very wise. I surmised that John uses suspice from the motto and wondered if your handle had a link to edlins. The term handle reminds me of an old flame who was into CB radio, do people still have them today?
Best wishes
Heather
Leics: Edlin, Isam, Wright, Wesson
Notts: Smith, Hughes.
Lancs: Dobbin, Rowlinson, Marr, Povall, Hall, Halliwell
Berks/ Sussex: Dearlove, Carter, Marchant.
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Re: Edlins in Leics.
« Reply #79 on: Tuesday 04 April 06 22:45 BST (UK) »
Hi!  As a newbie to this genealogy stuff (and half an Edlin - see later), I though people might be interested in a few more recent Edlin snippets.  This is with encouragement from David!

Firstly, about Robert William, the younger bicycle maker referred at 20.1.2 in David's comprehensive document: I found, through a web-based antiquarian bookshop, a copy of patent no 28,209 (Application 3 June 1910, Accepted 31 Dec 1910) which states:

'I, Robert William Edlin, Managing Director, of Edlin Sinclair, Limited, of 26, Sherlock Street, in the City of Birmingham, do declare the nature of this invention......'

There follows a two page description, and A4-sized diagram, for a metal pannier ('front wheel carrier') for a bicycle, like those that I remember used by local grocer's or baker's delivery boys.

My interest stems from Robert William's brother John, the Worsted Spinner's Clerk from Broughton (b1864/5).  He and wife Esther had two children (Henry Fowler EDLIN b1897/8, and Robert Percy EDLIN, b1890/1).  By the 1901 census there were no further children.

In a marriage registered in the fourth quarter of 1914, Robert Percy married Rose Annie POUGHER, the eldest child of Arthur Dick POUGHER, a professional cricketer for Leicestershire and England. 

I have ordered their marriage certificate, and await it with some interest - because their first child, born 1 May 1915 (interestingly close to the marriage?) was my mother, Winifred May EDLIN.  She died in 1996, but had a sister (born c1929) who survives.  The family does not, sadly, live in the lap of luxury afforded by the proceeds of the patent on a bicycle pannier.

The upshot of all this is that David can close off one line of the Edlins, although it would appear that many more continue!

My apologies to those whom I may have bored with these ramblings, and I look forward to trying to unravel the intricacies of the bicycle makers' antecedents.

Peter

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Re: Edlins in Leics.
« Reply #80 on: Wednesday 05 April 06 11:30 BST (UK) »
Welcome aboard Peter.

The problem is that extra information in this game never closes off lines, it just opens up new doors.  A few slightly closer dates for you,

John Edlin was born Q3 1864
Henry Fowler Edlin was born Q1 1888
Robert Percy Edlin was born Q4 1890.

I have just made another contact resulting in some interesting questions about the relations between the Edlins and the Hillams.  In particular a suggestion that Thomas Bunney's half sister Mary married William Hillam and not Hallam which I have since confirmed on FreeBMD took place in 1843 (not 1845 as I previously thought).

There was a stray Hillam on one of the census returns which this might help to explain.  I think it was a Mary Hillam living with Thomas Bunney's father William  but I can't find it.  Can any of you help please?

David
Living in Berkshire from Northampton & Milton Keynes
DETAILS OF MY NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse, Stevens, Batchelor
Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk