kent look up request

[LC]

Can anyone help me.

My ggg grandmother, Eliza Jane Lyon, was born in 1847 to Mary Lyon at Gravesend in Kent. No mention of a father.

I believe Mary later married David Constant, a French seaman.

I can find no evidence of the marriage other than Eliza was called Constant at the time of her own marriage (in Scotland) in 1866.

A death certificate/gravestone/notification for Mary or David would be appreciated.

Louise

[casalguidi]

Hi Louise

Have you checked for Eliza's baptism http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/query/results/?Mode=Search&PathList=%2FZ4a_Medway_Ancestors%2F%0A&SearchWords=&DateList ?

Is there an address on her birth certificate?  Are there any other names given for Mary or just LYON?

There is a David CONSTANT died 1855 Gravesend area http://freebmd.rootsweb.com

Could he be the one on the 1851 census http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,40991.0.html 

His burial is here http://www.rootschat.com/links/0fm/

Casalguidi

[Magian]

Thanks for the prompt reply.

I have a copy of Eliza's birth certificate (entry 378 at Gravesend & Milton). She was born 4/5/1847 at 4 Princes Street, Gravesend, her mother's usual residence. I have no other name for Mary other than Lyon. It was on Eliza's marriage certificate in 1866 that she refers to her parents as being married. There was no indication on the marriage certificate that either parent was deceased in 1866yet I'm unable to find out anything about them.

The David Constant who died in 1855 is indeed the one listed on the 1851 census - it was his mother Ann who registered the death. As yet I am unable to confirm that he is "my" David Constant.

I really appreciate your help.

Louise

[casalguidi]

Hi

Whilst the address for the CONSTANTs in the 1851 census is 19 Church Street http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,40991.0.html it is worth noting that the neighbouring property was actually Princes Street (no 29) so it's is definitely in the vicinity and the numbering/addresses in the early census returns are not always that accurate.  I haven't been able to find any other David CONSTANTs anywhere that my fit the bill.  Have you looked for a will for David or his mother to see if there is anything mentioned there?

Casalguidi

[Magian]

Many thanks for this information. I had tried looking up the address on a map but it wasn't apparent that the 2 streets were facing. It certainly sounds hopeful that this is "my" David.

I hadn't thought at looking up a Will and am not sure where to find one (if it exists). I am not familiar will the research of English records - David and Eliza have been my only English ancestors to date. I've not found the English records as detailed as those in Scotland which has made tracing that bit more difficult.

Many thanks for your help.

Louise

[casalguidi]

Hi Louise

See http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/1226.htm for information on the National Probate Indexes (post 1858).

Prior to 1858, wills were proved according to locality.  It would appear that Gravesend probably came under the probate jurisdiction of Rochester and wills are at the Centre for Kentish Studies, Maidstone and are indexed
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0fl/

Also, prior to 1858, wills could be proved in the PCC - these are online at the National Archives but mostly related to the more wealthy, those who had property in more than one diocese and some seamen http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/wills.asp

Casalguidi

[Magian]

Hello Casalguidi

Many thanks for your help. I never would have been able to find these links without help. I'll investigate them thoroughly.

Louise

[casalguidi]

Hi Louise

Whilst looking for something else, I came across the baptism of a Fanny Emily CONSTANT (parents David & Jane of 19 New Street, mariner) at Holy Trinity, Milton, Gravesend 15 Oct 1854
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0jp/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0bl/

Casalguidi

[domino]

Hi Louise
While going through "the ark"...I came across
Born 10 March 1928...christened 15 April 1928  St Georges Church
Connie Eileen CONSTANT
father Robert Thomas   Fisherman
mother Charlotte Elizabeth
23 Thames Terrace Gravesend
Maybe a later addition to the family??
Thames Terrace and all the addresses as before, where in the same area.
Best wishes.....Iris