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Re: Tracing an immigrant . where do I start?
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 06 September 05 19:04 BST (UK) »
This appears to be them in 1881 - transcribed as CALLISON

 Mary CALLISON   Head   M   Female   28   Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales       
 Charles CALLISON   Son      Male   2   Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales       
 Mary M. CALLISON   Daur      Female   3 m   Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales       
 Mary E. KEMSBURY   Visitor   U   Female   6   Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales   Scholar     


  8 Gam St  Swansea Town, Glamorgan, Wales
  RG11 / 5358 folio 14   Page 21

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Re: Tracing an immigrant . where do I start?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 20 September 05 16:02 BST (UK) »
Hi,
I've only just logged in and seen you above messages Ec and Uk girl, thank you for the help.

Ec , yes I  have that information from 1881 . I've got all his family from 1881,1891 and 1901 ( it's also mistranscribed on the original too as callison by the enumerator in 1881 - but it's definitely them. I t's  the enumerator's mistake and not the LDS  mistranscription for once  :) )
I have Mary in 1871 when she was not married to him too,and earlier _ traced her line back no problem - The Johnsons ( she also comes from a sea faring family -  more ruddy sailors! lol  ;D) but her family were welsh , pilots and stayed in Swansea so she was easy)

Uk girl ,in 1871 I couldn't find him. I just looked at the 1871 census  info you have pointed me to , impossible to tell if it's him really, it may be him if he was married to someone else before Mary, or he was lying about his marriage condition in the 71 census
 In 1881 I think  it is him on a ship in Plymouth - transcribed as Chas Carlson, again no way to really tell for 100% it is him .
 I could not view the original in 1881, Ancestry have the  wrong image for the "household" . I've just taken another look and it's still the same ( I keep meaning to email them about this ,that they have the wrong image for Chas Carlson) . when I view the original image , he is not on there, the original  image I get is   a ship "lady of the lake" with four names on it,  "headed" by  David stephens master mariner , none of them are his name. I tried looking through all the ships in the dock, and" Greece " and "Lady of the lake" , but can't find the correct image for him.

can you view the correct image for him in 1881? if so, what am I am doing wrong? When I press the   "view the original image" for "chas carlson" , I  get the lady of lake image ,one of one image,  with four names on it, first name on the list is David stephens

1871 he wasn't married to Mary yet ( nee Johnson, I have their daughters Christina's birth cert so know Mary's maiden name - she is also buried with her parents charles and Mary, and son is charles junior is  in the very next grave to hers) . They married in 1873 - I haven't got their  marriage cert yet, it will be the very next one I order - I've just ordered a load of certs  for other lines - money, and more money.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,47221.msg187588.html#msg187588 (  I found Charles  marriage to Mary a few months back in 1873 under the name of Karlson)

Thanks both for your help :)
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Re: Tracing an immigrant . where do I start?
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 21 September 05 09:05 BST (UK) »
Hello again, glad you got the message.

Just for comparison's sake:

(1)   1871  Carl Carlsen;             ditto(Mar);           23; Able Seaman;                  Christinestadt, Russia

(2)   1881  Chas. Carlsen;          ditto(Unmar);        32; Seaman;                         Finland, Russia

(3)   1891  Charles Carlsen;        Mar;                    42; Ship Carpenter;               Christinasher

(4)   1901   Charles  Carlsen;      Mar;                    57; Ship's Carpenter;             Russian, British Subject

Of course you know that (3) and (4) are the same person.
And I am sure that you know that "Chas." is the correct, accepted abreviation of Charles, just as "Geo."  stands for George and "Thos." stands for Thomas.

When you see them all in a line, they certainly look like the same man. The major discrepancy is the state of marriage of BOTH (1) and (2). I don't think that your fellow "lied" in 1871 as you suggested, but it may simply have been that "run-away" ditto that we have all encountered, especially when someone is not in their own home on the night of the Census. (1) and (2) were both on ships on the night that the Census was taken.

On the other hand, when you eventually get your hands on the marriage certificate, you may find out that he was a widower.

How to see the correct Census page for 1881:

Click on the image, then click above on vessels, then click on Greece SS (NOT on Greece), then click on Page 2 of 3.

Good luck,

UKgirl

PS. If you want a really good laugh ;D, please check how many people living in Wales in 1861 were born in Finland!

Answer:
824, most of whom, strangely enough, are called JONES!!! And funnily enough, they have all decided to "settle" in Flintshire!!! ???
It must be a really beautiful place! ;)
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Re: Tracing an immigrant . where do I start?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 25 September 05 01:34 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that Uk girl , I  have just found the original 1881 image with your above help.

Interesting to see it is written as Finland Russia  and not For Russia as transcribed.  Whether it is him or not, the unmarried is written as "do" down the list . I tend to take those  "do's" with a pinch of salt a lot of the time until I investigate them. I've had  too many that have turned out incorrect, especially for the  birth places of wives and children  of the husband/head of household written as "do" etc.

I sort of worked out months ago it may have been Finland  that he  may come from, with his birth place  in 1891 written as what looks like to be  "Christinasher"- no such place , the writing is bad on the census. And  Russia in 1901  .Finland was under Russian Control in the days he was born - Hence my signature saying possibly "Finland"

I'll trace 1871 "Carl Carlson"  to see if he dissapears , or is still there in Britain (to see if he could be a possibility for Charles).
If 1871 and 1881 are him, one of those ships ( or another ship he was working on)  must have come into Swansea at one point between 1871 and 1881 for him to meet and marry Mary.

I haven't  been  back into this Carlsen line for a few months now. I've been currently  focusing/concentrating on another line(  I've been giving my husband's Carlsen's a  little holiday  :)).  So, "My" Carlsen line is  not really 100% fresh in my memory at this  moment in time.

The marriage cert  of Charles and Mary is the next thing  cert I will be ordering. I just haven't got around to ordering that one yet, it's the next on my  long list of  certificates to get.

Thanks again  :)
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Re: Tracing an immigrant . where do I start?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 25 September 05 11:55 BST (UK) »
Hello,

Have you tried :

http://www.norwayfamily.com/

http://genealogy.about.com/od/sweden/

You will find good information in English

Steve
Dawson,    Carruthers,     Lawson,     Robinson,
Elliott,  Keily,  Adams,  Jolly/Jolley,  Wilson,  Hills,  Spearing,  Bowe.

Northumberland and Durham  [Gateshead, Washington,
Newcastle-upon-Tyne]

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Re: Tracing an immigrant . where do I start?
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 19 January 06 21:26 GMT (UK) »
Were Mary's parents John (1827) and Mary (1829) ?  I think my partner has links to this seafairing Johnson family. Let me know
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk<br /><br /><br /><br />Swansea (Glamorgan) - Reynish/Johnson<br />Yorkshire/Durham - Pinkney/Richardson/Robinson/Gill<br />Wiltshire - Hibberd<br />London/Surrey - Clark<br />Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire - Spencer, Broughton, Sprigg, Martin<br />Cornwall - Sowden<br />Herefordshire/Shropshire/Wales - Worrall<br />Essex - Saville<br />Dorset - Atkins, Govier<br />Devon - Wakely, Parsons

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« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 04 April 06 02:17 BST (UK) »
Were Mary's parents John (1827) and Mary (1829) ?  I think my partner has links to this seafairing Johnson family. Let me know
Hi, I've only just seen your above message, so sorry for not replying to it sooner

Johnson's ; I've had to look through some of my folders to refresh my memory with this line . I traced the Johnson's about two years ago,  so the Johnson line is not really fresh in my memory at the moment.

Here are some of the details: John Johnson , occupation mariner abt 1828, Mary his wife also abt 1828 ( Nee Davies.  Then I think her father is Morgan T Davies - her mother is Jane Hancorne).

Some of their (John and Mary Johnson) children are: 
 John abt 1850
Mary  1853( my husband's GG grandmother, the  one who married Charles Carlsen)
 Rebbecca abt 1857  ( I've  know I've left some of the children off, I'm trying to look through all my folders here)

John Johnson father was also called  John Johnson abt 1801 occupation pilot ( who had a lot  of other children besides John junior his son )

John  Johnson junior ( 1828) lived at Elephant st (Swansea) in 51, and the Graig in 61 ( Swansea) (ref RG9/4104, folio12 schedule 070), and in 1841 lived with  his father John senior at little wind st . I think I've got that right - I'm trying to find all the censuses and info in my folders on the Johnson's.

This Johnson family gets very confusing. I know this line drove me around the bend at the time when I was tracing them ,with them all being called John Johnson, father's sons, brothers etc etc lol
 The oldest sons in each generation are all called John Johnson and the family are all pilots and mariners.
 when I first traced this  John Johnson family  I started to get visions of  lots of little "Don Johnson's" running around with white shoes -Miami vice ;D lol! It drove me totally around the bend.

Are these yours too, the Johnson's who lived in little Wind st (1841), then  Elephant st (1851)and the Graig(1861) ?

 :)

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Re: Tracing an immigrant . where do I start?
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 04 April 06 23:16 BST (UK) »
Now i know this must fit in somewhere!!!!
I have these details so far (all bmd's etc are from microfilm in Swansea archives)

1841 Little Wind Street
John Johnson - 40 - Pilot (christened 28/7/1797, Swansea St Mary)
Elizabeth Johnson - 30
children Jane, John, Thomas, Eliza, Mary and Nicholas
+ Nicholas Johnson - 80 - Pilot who i believe is John's father but have no proof except John's christening above says fathers name Nicholas. I think Nicholas was married twice to Ann Morgan 21/5/1793 and Jane Jones 15/2/1808

John Johnson (snr) married Elizabeth Thomas 29/10/1833 in Swansea St Mary but prior to this where your link comes from did he marry Jane Morris 7/2/1821, Swansea St Mary (let me know if this is right?)

Nicholas Johnson (snr) buried 8/11/1844 in Swansea St Mary (note 1841 census states Nicholas born Foreign)

I'm more confused the more i write, still have not boxed this family off, need some help

The branch you have down to your husband  is from John senior like you say, my partner's is from George Johnson (1806), John seniors brother. I have your John junior born 7/11/1827 and christened 14/12/1827. I have three siblings for him. Nicholas (who i have as the eldest born 6/5/1821 died 25/1/1836), Jane Johnson born 7/10/1825 and a very confusing Ann 14/11/1825 which is obviously not possible as the too birth dates are too close together!

That means i Have all Nicholas as the first borns not John!
Nicholas born circa 1758
Nicholas born circa 1794
Nicholas born 1821
and then John born circa 1850 (brother of Rebecca and Mary)

I have the 1851 and 1861 census details as you and then 1871 in 40 Vincent street

send me a PM with your email if you wanna swap more detailed info!

David
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Re: Tracing an immigrant . where do I start?
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 26 November 06 02:50 GMT (UK) »
This page might interest you:

Behind the Name:

http://www.behindthename.com/nmc/fin.php

KAARLE   m   Finnish
Finnish form of CHARLES

KAARLO   m   Finnish
Finnish form of CHARLES

KALLE   m   Swedish, Finnish
Swedish and Finnish pet form of KARL


Also:

KARL 
Gender: Masculine

Usage: German, Scandinavian

Pronounced: KAHRL (German, English)   
 
German and Scandinavian form of CHARLES. 

http://www.behindthename.com/php/search.php?nmd=n&terms=karl

CARL 
Gender: Masculine

Usage: German, Scandinavian, English

Pronounced: KAHRL (German, English)   
German form of CHARLES.

http://www.behindthename.com/php/search.php?nmd=n&terms=carl



An item on this page indicated that Kalle = Charles:
http://www.sukututkimusseura.fi/place/placewae.htm
Worcs / Glos: Neal Neale Jeynes Jeens Geans Harris Roper Ropier Colley Dyer Heeks Bayzand Hampton Bishop Cole Elton Littlehales McGowan
Glamorgam: Hampton Thornton Svombo Swambo Swanbo Keefe O Keefe Shanahan Shannon Doyle Maldoon Muldoon Davies Llewellyn Jones
Birmingham: Neale Sarjant Cole Hiley Berridge Tirebuck