strays on the canals

[judijee]

Hi Mrs Noah/canal woman

This is a long shot, but maybe you can help me.  I'm looking for a Cheshire boatman who was recorded on the 1851 census as Joseph Lotheran, or Lothern, or may Letheren - the surname is so indistinct that it's difficult to decipher.  He was born at Middlewich and his age is given as 'unknown' but what looks like '20' has been entered in brackets.  Have you come across a canal family or individual with a surname anything like this?

My own forebear was a boatman named Peter Johnson, born at Barnton, Cheshire, in 1810.  His wife was Mary Wardle.  Some of their children were born at Sandbach, others at Stoke-on-Trent, and the youngest at Wolverhampton.  I'm trying to find the baptism of the eldest child, Emma Johnson, who was born at Bucklow Hill, Cheshire, around 1834 - any chance you've come across this family?

Regards
- judijee

[canal woman]

Hello.

 I have read your message,, and don't think i am going to be much help to you.
But here goes.
The 1851 census with your ancestor Joseph Lotheran...........you don't say which census you looked at?
i have looked in the 1851 census for Cheshire   the volume 7 Northwich district.
There is one entry that resembles the name you are looking for LOWTHIAN   is that the one you are talking about??
I have never come across the name..certainly not in the Middlewich area which is the area i am most familiar with. 
Do you think it is a heard name and then spelt as it is heard ...which might be totally different to the actual name!

I have looked in my books and found one or two Johnson on the canals in the middlewich area and would be happy to send you the entries but there are NO Peter Johnson.

I have two entry for Sandbach St Mary.
1828

William Johnson OTP Boatman
Ellen Key  OTP    Spinster
By Banns
1 October 1828
Both signed x
Witness

Allan Condliffe   signed
Elizabeth Moore   signed X


1820         [St Mary Sandbach ]

David Condliffe OTP Boatman
Elizabeth Johnson OTP Spinster
By Banns
19 June 1820
Both signed X

Witness
John Higgins Signed
Elizabeth Sumnelle signed X


 My canal Boatmen travell up and down the Staffs and Worcs canal and then on to the Trent and Mersey branching off to the Consall Canal....................they also have huge connections with the Oxford canal and the Birmingham navigation  so in looking for your family you need to be aware of their huge range of travel.

 Try going sideways and you might come across the answers you are looking for..
What ever ---- if you would like me to look in the Northwich area or Middlewich area for you I will.

kindest regards

[judijee]

Hi there 

Could you possibly let me have details of the LOWTHIAN entry on the 1851 Cheshire census, please?  It may well be the same family as the Joseph Lotheran (?) I'm looking for - he's recorded on that census at Stoke-on-Trent, Staffs.  I'm pretty sure the surname was written down phonetically - Joseph was almost certainly not literate, nor did he know exactly how old he was, so the Lowthian surname could very well be a match.

Thanks for letting me see the two Johnson entries.

- judijee

[canal woman]

Hi.
as soon as i can get to the library i will look for the entry for you and let you know what it says .

 mrs noah/canal woman!

never to sure who i am !!!!

[canalboatman]

Hello Mrs N and other interested parties, you have a similar line of inquiry to myself, and I am interested in finding more on the Tonks family. Whom I am related to .
  I also have my own website for canal boat families, and am decended from the Harrison Green lines, with links to many of the other well known families. I would be interested in hearing from anyone with information on canal boat families, as I feel it is neccesary to get it all down in writing before it all becomes lost.

[canal woman]

            Hello 
                       
How wonderful. I am a continuation of the Turton Family who worked the canal boats right from the begining in the Black Country............
although born in Wolverhampton and by then having only an uncle  who was working the canals,  I married and   moved to cheshire where I have found so many connections with my family ... or should i say extended family.   [why does everything happen when you are running out of time ...........]

 How can I help you? what information do you have .......................what information do you want?
can we share?

 mrs noah/canal boatwoman.

[canalboatman]

Hello again so far I have information on 29 family lines mostly in the black country as that is where the green family settled and some still live in this area. Of course I want to share everything I have as it is imperative that it is saved for posterity. The boat meseum in ellesmere will be getting a copy of my files in due course and on my death will recieve all family documents and photographs. In the mean time I hope everyone will join in and add thier family lines to what I have allready.
  I have come accross references to the turton family in my searches, but I also know that I have only dented the amount of families to be researched.

   My website -      http://canalboatmen.co.uk/

  I do hope you like it
                                       Gerald C

[canal woman]

 Hi.
Thankyou for the message. and the link to your webb pages.

 I need to look through them in detail.
The name that jumps out so far is willington.

It is my Susannah Turton that marries William Willington in 1824.
She is the daughter of my 3xGreat grandfather Joseph Turton who married Martha Grainger on 31st january 1795 1n Wolverhampton.

I am a dirct descendant of that man!!![pity i was a woman and broke the thread!!!!]

mrs N
 

[canalboatman]

Yes I thought that may be your line.