1841 census

[Lewy]

I've posted this onto the Surrey board aswell, as I'm not sure whether Southwark comes under Surrey or London!!

My relation (George S Tully) was born in St Mary's Lambeth, around 1827 I have him in the 1851 census at Little Guildford Street in Southwark with his parents Thomas and Sarah (think should be Susannah), But i am trying to locate them in 1841.

Thomas will be listed as a Turner/Carpenter and both he and his wife were born out of county.

Many thanks
Lewy

[Bryant]

Hello Lewy

Its an oldie..........have you found him yet?

Question........
George S Tully aged 33 in the 1861 census......a chairmaker, born Lambeth, Surrey and living at St Pancras........is he yours? if so he was born just prior to 1840!

GEORGE TULLEY.........born Dec qtr 1839...Rotherhithe (became St Olave Southwark in 1870)

Bryant

[Lewy]

No! That whole family are a right pain!! If you could leave it up pls, somebody might stumble upon them.

[Bryant]

You misunderstand.............i'm not in a position to get rid of anything!

I will look for them if you haven't found them?

can you display the 1851 details please (I have no access to the 1851)

Bryant

[Lewy]

ooops - sorry, thought you were moderating!

yes, 1851 St Saviour, Southwark - Little Guildford Street
Thos Tully, head,age 51 chair maker, b Bexted (Buxted I think), Sussex
Sarah Tully, wife, age 52, b Sevenoaks, Kent
George Tully, son, unmarr, aged 24, chairmaker, b. Lambeth, Surrey

Thanks Bryant!

[Bryant]

Lewy

I went looking for Thomas Tully (Thomas T* 40-43 in Middx & Surrey) and thought I found him....especially when he had a son aged 14 (perfect).........however Thos's trade and the fact that George is still a Tourle in 1861 (and the children in 1841 are all born Tourle) put the downers on that!

1841
BROOK STREET, LAMBETH CHURCH 2ND, LAMBETH, SURREY
THOS TOURLE    40   COAL MERCHANT      N
ELIZABETH "       38                                   N
MARY          "       16                                   Y
GEORGE     "        14                                   Y
JANE           "        9                                     Y
ELIZABETH  "        7                                    Y
EMMA          "        4                                    Y
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SO.......it appears they do not exist under the christian names that they used in 1851 so a new approach is required.......

One assumes this is your George in 1861........
1861
18 NEW HAMPSTEAD ROAD, ST PANCRAS, MIDDX
GEORGE S TULLY   HEAD  33   CHAIRMAKER         LAMBETH, SURREY
SARAH A        "       WIFE  29                                SOUTHWARK, SURREY
SARAH           "        DAUR  7                                 ST PANCRAS, MIDDX
GEORGE S      "       SON    5                                 MARYLEBONE, MIDDX
WILLIAM        "       SON     2                                ST PANCRAS, MIDDX
FREDERICK    "        SON    4 MONTHS                            "
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Have you got the marriage cert of  .....GEORGE SHARVIL TULLY to SARAH ANN HULSE...Newington R.D...Dec qtr...1852....you are going to need it to see if his father is Thos........where was the groom living when he got married and who the witnesses are? ......... Sharvil is a surname, the question is...where and when did he/they get "involved" with it.........

1841
GREAT GUILDFORD STREET, SOUTHWARK, SURREY
MARY HULSE  35  LAUNDRESS         Y
JOB       "        12                             Y
SARAH   "       10                             Y
WILLIAM "       7                              Y
JOHN      "        1                             Y
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Bryant

[Lewy]

Hi Bryant - I really appreciate your efforts to help me. Yes I do have the marriage certificate - George was living at 6 Newington Causeway, father listed as Thomas Tully , a turner and the witnesses were Thomas Tully and John Brown. Just for ref aswell, Sarah was living in Blackman STreet.

Any ideas?

[Bryant]

Doesn't look good does it!

Possible witness 1 is his father......and rent a witness 2 from the Church with a name of Brown!

Iv'e had a look for Thos under Chairmakers in the 1841 London P.O directory without any joy...... Wood Turner's.......an employees occupation not an employers, but I will have a look...... not there!

JOB HULSE......Sarah's brother (aged 12! or is father still around?) is in the 1841 P.O Directory at 124 Great Guildford Street as a Cheesemonger

UNFORTUNATELY.........I'm fairly sure they are not there to be found (Middx/Surrey) under any name beginning with T........that resembles "Tully" in even the slightest way......

Sorry
Bryant

[Lewy]

They've stumped me for a few years now - I've just joined Sussex FHS and there are several people researching Tully's so hopefully one of them can help. The Hulse's are just as bad - Job (Sarah's father) just appears out of nowhere and then inconveniently dies before the census! Hey ho! That's the nature of this hobby I guess.

Really appreciate your help though.

Lewy xx