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Re: Thomas Penfold and Sophia/Soffia Orchard
« Reply #135 on: Wednesday 28 August 19 18:27 BST (UK) »
Yup the 1901 census is where I started - Florence (my gran) living with her Mum and Dad, her sister Blanche and her Aunty Ellen who was Williams sister. My Mum remembers her grandad William Quick and her Aunty Blanche but Sophia her gran was never talked about!
Blanche and Florence stayed with their Dad and his parents after Sophia "left" which I believe was a travellers tradition if children were fathered by someone who was not a traveller.
where did you find a record of her marrying Joseph Orchard in 1907?

Oh and nice to meet you cousin  :D

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Re: Thomas Penfold and Sophia/Soffia Orchard
« Reply #136 on: Wednesday 28 August 19 18:30 BST (UK) »

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Re: Thomas Penfold and Sophia/Soffia Orchard
« Reply #137 on: Wednesday 28 August 19 18:58 BST (UK) »
Would love to know if Sofia and Joe had any children

Thanks for your help  - Mum will love to hear this news when I call her later, she is 82 now and lost the last of her siblings a couple of weeks ago which has sort of been the inspiration behind this search before all is forgotten and it's too late to piece together memories which all add up

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Re: Thomas Penfold and Sophia/Soffia Orchard
« Reply #138 on: Wednesday 28 August 19 19:03 BST (UK) »
it was in my tree.not sure if i have the marriage cert i will have to look but i would have found it on Ancestry.co.uk as that is where i subscribe.i dont know of any kids but i expect there were but they married in 1907 so i would have though there would be kids by 1908!!.i will see if i can find any.
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Re: Thomas Penfold and Sophia/Soffia Orchard
« Reply #139 on: Wednesday 28 August 19 19:32 BST (UK) »
there's a few kids with mother Penfold and father Orchard between 1911 and 1924 but whether they are theirs or not i don't know.i only go to about 1911 in my tree so as not to upset the living folks.you may find Joe and Sophia in the 1939 cencus with some kids??
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Re: Thomas Penfold and Sophia/Soffia Orchard
« Reply #140 on: Wednesday 28 August 19 22:10 BST (UK) »
Will do some digging though I she did die in 1927.
I guess my Gran had quite a tough upbringing and would explain her "tough" character - she separated and divorced my grandad in the 1940's/50's - not a common thing at the time, though that may be down to a family rumour of a certain GI Joe who was also brought up during dementia in her later life - her budgies were always called Joey!!

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Re: Thomas Penfold and Sophia/Soffia Orchard
« Reply #141 on: Thursday 17 June 21 21:31 BST (UK) »
Ian Devon, please PM me, I know what happened to Sophie. Joe orchard was my great grandfather.
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