1841/1851 census look-up request - Kirton Lindsey/Caistor area?

[Sasha]

If anyone likes a bit of a challenge I would be really grateful for a look-up on some of my husbands gypsy ancestors.  I've got quite a bit of info on them from 1861 onwards but am missing the 1841 and 1851 census returns.  I'm well aware that I might be asking a bit much here as I can't be certain where they were or if they even got included in the census  .  They seem to have travelled a bit but then some settled in Kirton in Lindsey.


My husbands 2xGt-Grandmother is Sylvestia Smith (1838-1917) who married in Kirton in Lindsey in 1855.  Her parents and siblings were:

Dennis Smith
Eleanor Smith (nee Charlotte), born c.1817 Gamlingay
Fenwick
Sabina
Sidney (born c.1835 Nettleham)
Sylvestia (born c.1838 probably Cabourne or Caistor area)
Tennant (born 1840 Irby-on Humber or Caistor)


Then there are Eleanor Smith (nee Charlotte)'s parents (and I've listed what I know of her siblings in case it helps identify the family):

John Charlotte (born c.1796 Gamlingay, died 1860 Kirton in Lindsey)
Sophia Charlotte (nee Smith) (born c.1793 Skevent, Leicester, died 1887 Kirton in Lindsey).
Sylvester (born c.1827 Folkingham)
Elizabeth (born c.1828-1830 Billingham/Binbrook)
Levanci (born c.1829 Oxfordshire
John (born c.1834 Lincoln)
James (born c.1835 place unknown)


Thanks in advance for any help.

Jo. 

[JohninAus]

I agree....a challenge! Here are some fragments:

1851 England has 26 Charlot, 37 Charlott, 77 Charlotte.

The only family I can see in 1851 Lincs is in Ulceby, HO107/2118/29 pg 10, "encamped":

Sistance Charlot, head, 30, gypsies, skewer maker, b Cambridge .

Lemontena Boswell Charlot, 26, wife,cabage net maker, b Lester( their spelling)

Joseph Charlot, son,7, b Lincoln Boston

Solenia Charlot, dau,5 ,b Lincoln Louth

James Charlot, son ,2, b Lincoln Lincoln

If you look at Folkingham parish records - a link from Genuki /Folkingham- for your Silvester Charlotte 1827 entry, you'll see it listed as Silvester, bap 1 March 1827 son of John and Sophia SMITH.

No progress on Smith in 1851, though I note an 1861 entry for a Dennis Smith gypsy family in Thorne , Yorks RG9/3525:

"List of persons not in houses":

Dennis Smith,head, 40, cork maker, b Leicestershire
Dennis Smith ,son,20,cork maker, b Abye(?), Lincs
George Smith,son,15,b Kirton
Israel, son 11,b Saxilby Lincs
Caroline(relationship blank), 23, unm, b Bardley
Tennant,son, under 3 months, b Kirton.

There is a UK-ROMANI-L email list on Rootsweb

John

[Sasha]

Thank you for looking John.  I thought it might be a bit of a challenge. 

I'm going to investigate the Dennis Smith you've found in 1861 a bit further.  Tennant Smith (born 1840 Irby on Humber) married Caroline Lucy.  The earliest child I know of from that marriage was born c.1872 so I am wondering if this is the same Caroline living with her future father-in-law and an illegitimate son of Tennant's.  If so then you have found Dennis Smith for me.

I'll check out the UK-ROMANI-L list and the Folkingham parish registers.

Thank you,

Jo. 

[frilly]

Hello Sasha

I was wondering if you just might be able to help me..............................My Greatgrandmother was Elizabeth Charlotte ( Gypsy) born Kirton Lindsey 1851..... for YEARS  I have been trying to find info on her parents or siblings  can not find anything at all. She was  married to my greatgrandfather Oliver lee , who was born in Sunderland approx 1853  they wer living in Sunderland in the 1891 and 1901 census
Many Thanks